Bernie Sanders at his best

[ronasch]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

While TRUMP won the vote from people who lost their virginity to their sister.

Who's voting for Trump? I certainly am not.

[iruinedyourday]

hehe I just was trying to pick ONE opponent..considering there doesn't seem to be any at all on the other side of the race. Believe me I didnt want to give trump any credibility, but I couldnt think of a single person who will run on the non democratic ticket. yikes!

Maybe you WILL see a libertarian nomination from the right.

I mean, is this really a race between Bernie Sanders Vs Hillary Clinton?

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[Lune]

Originally Posted by ronasch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good thing I'm not a republican. I'm a Libertarian Secessionist.

Ah yes, soon you will be able to break the tyrannical yoke of big gubments oppression and create a true promised land without the evil Fed getting its greedy paws between you and your neighbor

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[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ah yes, soon you will be able to break the tyrannical yoke of big gubments oppression and create a true promised land without the evil Fed getting its greedy paws between you and your neighbor

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You establish the importance of culture in other posts, and in this one completely dismiss the cultural difference between north European Protestant America and African Muslim Somalia.

No, in the absence of the federal government, we do not become Somalia. We'd quicklj form smaller, more accountable nation states that would probably all be parliamentary democracies like Canada, Ireland, Denmark, etc...

Libertarians aren't all anarchists. We're just skeptics who don't think our government has very much chance of being fixed without something transformative.

[quido]

I got a boner from it - not sure what the problem is

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You establish the importance of culture in other posts, and in this one completely dismiss the cultural difference between north European Protestant America and African Muslim Somalia.

No, in the absence of the federal government, we do not become Somalia. We'd quicklj form smaller, more accountable nation states that would probably all be parliamentary democracies like Canada, Ireland, Denmark, etc...

Libertarians aren't all anarchists. We're just skeptics who don't think our government has very much chance of being fixed without something transformative.

How does bernie stand with you as a libertarian voter I'm curious, Patrim?

[Patriam1066]

There are three candidates I'm voting against no matter what. Those are Jeb bush, Hillary Clinton, and Ted Cruz.

I'm far less inspired by who to vote for, but Bernie is one of the people who might get my vote. I'm adamantly against his budget.... But at this point it doesn't even matter. There aren't any fiscal conservatives so he's still in the consideration. I'm 100% opposed to money in politics. It's as corrupting as mosque / state are in Iran. At least he's addressing that...
But yeah, I'm pretty apathetic / skeptical and resigned to Hillary as president

PS: I'm strongly opposed to the surveillance state but again, no one is going to actually do anything about it so it's useless IMO

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You establish the importance of culture in other posts, and in this one completely dismiss the cultural difference between north European Protestant America and African Muslim Somalia.

No, in the absence of the federal government, we do not become Somalia. We'd quicklj form smaller, more accountable nation states that would probably all be parliamentary democracies like Canada, Ireland, Denmark, etc...

Libertarians aren't all anarchists. We're just skeptics who don't think our government has very much chance of being fixed without something transformative.

Quit calling me on my doublethink. I'm not going to let the analogy being dogshit deprive me of the pleasure of calling libertarians Somalians.

As much as I think Americans are theoretically capable of building a decent libertarian society, and it would probably maybe work just fine, I just see it as a step backward. I believe we need a strong, authoritative government to counter the destructive, bacterial impulses of humanity and nature.

The crux of the issue for me is the following thought experiment:

Maintaining the population of humanity at around 100 million would solve nearly every major global problem and enrich the lives of everyone.

This would be completely impossible under a libertarian system. In spite of the benefits to efficiency, libertarianism provides no capacity to exercise collective long-term planning for the benefit of the group. Statist systems do allow this, therefore I view libertarianism unfavorably. However, I believe libertarianism/free market economics was the superior system at guiding humanity through industrialization and basic development.

There's also the fact that American libertarianism tends to get wrapped up with Ayn Rand and she is basically the devil.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are three candidates I'm voting against no matter what. Those are Jeb bush, Hillary Clinton, and Ted Cruz.

I'm far less inspired by who to vote for, but Bernie is one of the people who might get my vote. I'm adamantly against his budget.... But at this point it doesn't even matter. There aren't any fiscal conservatives so he's still in the consideration. I'm 100% opposed to money in politics. It's as corrupting as mosque / state are in Iran. At least he's addressing that...
But yeah, I'm pretty apathetic / skeptical and resigned to Hillary as president

PS: I'm strongly opposed to the surveillance state but again, no one is going to actually do anything about it so it's useless IMO

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well hopefully we can keep getting the word out that hes a bit more non partisan than you could imagine, and a lot more than Hillary is & at this rate it might be unavoidable that he gets the nom!

I think everyone in the usa would be pretty bummed with life if Hillary wins heh

[Big_Japan]

"Slavishness on one hand breeds pigness on the other hand."

Reads like a Scientologist wrote it.

Compare that with the Hemingway-style plain, minimalist speaking of "you have to go back" or "somebody's doing the raping" or even "you're fired". Where instead of the sentence saying less than the sum of its component words, leaving you scratching your head and waiting with a blank, bovine expression for your dialectic instructor to enlighten you about white privilege and why we need to appoint Jews to redistribute our resources, the few words in fact imply much more than what they initially appear to.

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