Dear "wipe it clean" nerds

[XiakenjaTZ]

Can we just let Jinger transfer her character to blue? I don't think anyone here would care.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EverQuest is a pve game that happened to have pvp enabled servers. Lot of dumb in this thread. Red99 couldn't even hold pop through the end of the first month. Server came out in November, by the end of December Nihilum was already exploiting dragons and pop was sub 200. By the end of January pop was dead. This is not the game to play for hardcore pvp players.

I rolled here two weeks after server launch and encountered maybe ten to fifteen pvp interactions between level 1-50. Most of them involved being attacked while engaged in pve, in situations I had no chance to win ever. The people who claim to love pvp really just love stomping people in scenarios they are guaranteed to win, for Internet ego. That's why you have people like beastagor with a hundred clickies scouting all day in iceclad for advisor wearing newbs, rather than running into Kael and attacking our clerics during their CH rotation. They don't want pvp, they just want to stomp newbs / lowbies.

Thats Heartbrands take on it. The reason he didnt encounter many pvp fights is because of how the server was set up. It discouraged pvp with xp loss. On Rallos youd find fights at every step of leveling. Crushbone, EK, SK, Highpass, commons.
By adding xp loss in pvp, it turned into a PVE race to 50. If i had to do it again i would probably race as well instead of trying to play it like Rallos, getting bummed out and quitting early because you cant really have fun taking your time pvping on the way or youll eat tons of xp backlog grief. I guess some people would still race to 50 even if xp loss hadnt been in.

The fact of the matter is, trying to present Red99 beginnings as proof that people dont like pvp is incorrect at best and disingenuous at worst. Of course the server depopulated, his crew went around stomping smaller crews with their zergs, making them eat xp loss repeatedly to grief em off the server. If there was no xp loss, dying would have been less brutal and the people who didnt have 4 years experience in EQ pvp (on VZTZ) would have more breathing space to learn how to pvp, gather forces to challenge more established crews etc... There was no space for non-vets to learn the game without eating grievous xp backlog. The GMs and staff couldnt see how bad it was because they werent playing themselves and let themselves get trolled by people who told em everything was golden, either Nihilum because it let them farm zones uncontested or Holo because they enjoyed griefing.

Im not sure if HB never played on Rallos, or if hes angling for something or what, but Rallos was full of PVPers. Every single day youd find tons of people fighting in and around crushbone. That was like the main Flowers of Happiness hangout and where i hung to fight them. Maybe HB is scared about the possibility of another new server that would jeopardize what hes got now?

Those were the 2 main mistakes to me: Xp loss at start corrected way too late, and no item loot ensuring that twinks down the road became way too powerful, ensuring a stale economy, call of duty style pvp (ironically) and no vibrant Gfay trading hub. Yeah blablabla noob griefed out of their cloth gear, patch some no drop gear and solved.

If someone has an actual timeline of when xp loss was removed and group xp patched, things like that, itd be interesting to look at. With pop numbers, would be even more instructive.

[grannock]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, 8 months in each expansion would be an easy fix if you wanted to include Velious.

I imagine 2 years from now the server merge would actually produce a competitive guild to go up against whatever was left on Red99 at that time.

Some pretty strong bonds forming from complete isolation from the other server may reduce guild hoping like it is on Red99.

Why cant they do this on red?? There is nobody curb stomping you in fear or kunark, so gear up and contest.

If someone fucked up the past 4 years on this box they will fuck up on a clean one as well, they are not kids anymore.

[grannock]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

EverQuest is a pve game that happened to have pvp enabled servers. Lot of dumb in this thread. Red99 couldn't even hold pop through the end of the first month. Server came out in November, by the end of December Nihilum was already exploiting dragons and pop was sub 200. By the end of January pop was dead. This is not the game to play for hardcore pvp players.

I rolled here two weeks after server launch and encountered maybe ten to fifteen pvp interactions between level 1-50. Most of them involved being attacked while engaged in pve, in situations I had no chance to win ever. The people who claim to love pvp really just love stomping people in scenarios they are guaranteed to win, for Internet ego. That's why you have people like beastagor with a hundred clickies scouting all day in iceclad for advisor wearing newbs, rather than running into Kael and attacking our clerics during their CH rotation. They don't want pvp, they just want to stomp newbs / lowbies.

This post is so spot on.

We were all geared up to fight friends in a very even looking 10v10 at 5am in WW and they all camped out instead of fight. That was not a lopsided number fight, you guys had like 3 sks and would have certainly scored some yt, instead the "most red players on the box" didnt contest, wont fight an actual geared crew, and will continue to seek out zuranthium sitting afk in the middle of WL.

Roberto, hashtag, axebeard + another group of BiS geared so called "red as fuck players" ran from 10 emp.

Where the fuck was the pvp over the pixel? Your egos and fear of ever being hit with a yt ruin this box more than empire does by rading ToV.

[Whirled]

This wouldn't happen on Blue server. /full circle

[knix]

Originally Posted by XiakenjaTZ [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we just let Jinger transfer her character to blue? I don't think anyone here would care.

I don't need a transfer to blue, I have 6 level 60s, 2 level 59s, and yes I am done with the red server because of the culture on the server. Its not pvp, as it stands currently its more like grievers with mob mentalities. PVP is not 8 empire vs one cleric on LNS. I posed no threat to them, there was no raid going on that i was "spying on" I was on LNS from being pvp killed after "unplugging" from zone to get away from an LNS violation from the previous night. I arrived at my body less and in less than 5 min i was attacked again.


But, the question is how to fix the red server without "wiping it clean" . The answer is enforce the rules, very strictly, hand out suspensions, kick the boxers, the LNS violators, the players who think training mobs on players is a valid way to pvp. Hold guilds accountable for poor behavior of their players. You will grow the server with players who want to play on a pvp server, not with the current cesspool of humanity you have dominating the server atm.

You cant tell me players would act differently if they risked getting their guild suspended, and guilds would act and remove loose cannons if they risked eating a guild suspension.

[Systolic]

Funny how when TMO pop starts dropping and Alarti gets more and more bergery the GMs start considering a wipe

Just like they knew to be in Ak'Anon before velly launched.

Might as well just rename them GMO

[Systolic]

Originally Posted by knix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I posed no threat to them, there was no raid going on that i was "spying on" I was on LNS from being pvp killed after "unplugging" from zone to get away from an LNS violation from the previous night. I arrived at my body less and in less than 5 min i was attacked again.

Don't blame Empire for the way the rules are set up. Sounds to me like you got your LNS and then were killed elsewhere (You are only LNS in that specific zone, you know).

[knix]

Originally Posted by Systolic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't blame Empire for the way the rules are set up. Sounds to me like you got your LNS and then were killed elsewhere (You are only LNS in that specific zone, you know).

learn to read, pvp in EW, attacked in EW. within 5 min of arriving at body with no mana to leave.

[Doors]

Threads awful. Server doesn't need wiped and we don't need another one.

If anything you should split blue up so CSR isn't so overwhelmed by needless petitions over camps, training, FTE, etc.