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[Cecily]

Originally Posted by ECDubz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I really dont like this nav box. One page worked really well for me.

[ezri]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well Cecily has a point. If no one can re change it, what the hell. It IS Wiki for a reason. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've talked to other editors and this seems to be a problem across the site, not isolated to changes that I've made, there are numerous issues raised in the Technical discussion about the wiki.
Basically when you hit save, it takes you to the next page and gives you a blank screen rather than saving the content.

The class page issue seems to be an issue with the Gearing includes which were compounded with the new spell/song templates. I've had a lot of positive feedback about the new spell format; both on the forums and people messaging me in game so I'm assuming that a lot of people like it. I made them to make the tables look nicer, but also at the request of other editors to make editing spell data easier and the templates are documented so other authors can take over.

I've tried to streamline the way the gearing templates are picked up, but it didn't solve anything; and it's only half done because I didn't want to break the other class pages in the process.
So in the short term my conclusion was that the page was simply over loaded hence the navbox.

The server issues will have to be worked around because the sysadmins of the wiki box seem to be MIA.

I've only split the page up as a last resort because I've exhausted the alternative options - and if I get a lot of feedback from people saying that they really hate it then I'll eat humble pie and revert out the changes.
But it's not as simple as finding a previous version and hitting revert because of other things that people requested I change along the way like the song level cap reduction from lv65 to lv60, spell icon changes etc - things that many people put time into that need to be maintained.

But; safe to answer - the bard and ranger pages *can* be edited in their current format - prior to the navbox change as I stated earlier; I couldn't even add a paragraph into the FAQ section; which is why I added the nav box.

[ezri]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why don't you split the useless FAQ and gear sections up and leave the useful information (description, creation, skills, spells) on the one page?

I like this suggestion - so a couple of questions spring to mind:
1. How do we link out to the Quests, Gear Sections, FAQ - Just make the nav box smaller - I know a few people said they don't like them; but they do make it simple to navigate backwards and forwards between the sections.
2. Do we keep the new bard/ranger images or get rid?

[ezri]

Do you know what - I give up trying to fix this.
I've rolled out most of the changes that I've made to bard and ranger pages without losing the edits in between (skill updates etc).

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by ezri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know what - I give up trying to fix this.
I've rolled out most of the changes that I've made to bard and ranger pages without losing the edits in between (skill updates etc).

so....instead of putting it back the way everyone liked it you completely took out everything you did. Well thats mature. You did have some very nice changes i liked the page up until you made the nav box especially the song information. Im sorry you felt like you had to do this i feel like this was you saying screw the bard community. Thanks

[ezri]

Originally Posted by ECDubz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so....instead of putting it back the way everyone liked it you completely took out everything you did.

The way the page was, the way everyone liked it BROKE the page and made it non-editable; which is why I put in the nav box. Since people hated that, I tried to put in the split page idea and that looked worse than the nav box.
We can't have a broken page I took out the spells.

I can't please everyone, I've tried and it's caused me more stress than I get from work. So I'm sorry, but the wiki software is just not up to handling it.

[ECDubz]

Originally Posted by ezri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The way the page was, the way everyone liked it BROKE the page and made it non-editable; which is why I put in the nav box. Since people hated that, I tried to put in the split page idea and that looked worse than the nav box.
We can't have a broken page I took out the spells.

I can't please everyone, I've tried and it's caused me more stress than I get from work. So I'm sorry, but the wiki software is just not up to handling it.

Im really not sure what you mean by broken. It worked pretty well for me for a while and the fact you edited it with a nav box afterwards and changed it back once you decided it wasnt worth the stress means you could edit it. So I guess my knowledge of coding is just not up to snuff as i would hope so ill leave it to the pros. In any case it was nice while it lasted and i hope we can have it again sometime in the future!

[ezri]

I've added a link in spells/songs for Ranger/Bard as I originally had it on the Ranger page

Alternative Spell List -> Ranger/Spells
Alternative Song List -> Bard/Songs

I guess this is an appropriate compromise.

I just hope that those #lsth tags fix themselves overnight; I'm not sure how those includes work they are pretty sketchy.

Apologies for my despair - once I got to the end of making the two-page-split and it looked awful I was really at the end of my tether.

[TarukShmaruk]

Originally Posted by ezri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you know what - I give up trying to fix this.
I've rolled out most of the changes that I've made to bard and ranger pages without losing the edits in between (skill updates etc).

I liked your updates

Why are you listening to Cecily? He's a bitter troll who shits on everything because his life is unhappy. Probably fatbromyalgia.

[ECDubz]

Honestly though, I would rather have the nav box than to have it the old way. If i have to deal with the nav box to have the song info id gladly trade it back.