Terror attack in Charleston

[Rararboker]

Some of you guys support "gun control" (aka banning legally owned guns)? So sad.

Must have lived very comfortable lives to believe a fairy tale like that. Illegal guns are super easy to acquire in almost any state if you know the scumbags. I went to Granite Hills High school in California (one of the schools which had a school shooting in the early 2000's) and despite that putting the school on high alert and our state having some of the strictest gun laws in the country, guns could be bought on school premises even by people not intimately involved in any kind of gang activity. And my point here is that; if it is that easy to obtain them on a school, how easy do you think it is to get them somewhere with less restrictions?

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Prohibition didn't work. War on drugs FAILED. Laws are only followed by good people. Outlawing guns would be laughable to sociopaths. Disarming their victims.

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You realize it takes a person to pull the trigger right? Guns don't fire themselves.

Know what else it takes?

A gun.

[Lojik]

I think its easier to see the negative externalities associated with widespread (legal) gun ownership as opposed to the positive ones. If a kid accidentally shoots himself or a psycho shoots up a church, you can physically count the death tolls.

It's harder to count the deaths and crimes that are prevented, and I'm not talking about that ridiculous 2.5m statistic that the NRA puts out.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is where your argument falls apart. People can control their own diet. People can't control other people shooting them so much.

That's certainly true, but wasn't why I ended my comment with that line. I was basically saying that I don't believe others have the right to take my legally owned guns, that I've had NONVIOLENTLY for my entire adult life, because they're afraid. We have to find a balance between freedom and security, and I will always come down on the side of the former. I really don't think we can ban everything that is dangerous. I do agree that banning guns would save lives, however. I just think that becomes irrelevant when you consider that banning cars, sugar, meat, etc, would make our lives safer as well. It's like when the NSA tells me that I should give up my 4th Amendment right so that they can protect me. No thanks.

Some guy in Austria just ran a bunch of people over in a car. The sad truth is, despite our best efforts, we'll never be safe from one another. I'd like to own a gun so that, if a sociopath like the idiot over in Vienna and the one in Charleston ever attack me, I can put them down. I hope that that never happens, but I'd like to have the ability to defend myself.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are people not realizing that all of the mass shootings are happening in gun free zones? Where people can't shoot back?

Schools are gun free zones in most states. Churches are gun free zones in South Carolina.

I'm sure some people can provide some quick references to shootings that happened in non gun free zones and how many of them were stopped by other citizens who could shoot back.

Predator 2 was a terrible movie

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Thats part of the US's problem, that someone posted up a few notches. Your society is flooded with guns. Theres guns everywhere, legal, illegal. So many guns that you export them massively to the highest bidders even if its (especially to) crackpot "allies" like Saudi Arabia and Israel. Solution? More guns! Thats going to end well. As long as the US economy is an economy based on the death of people theres going to be problems.

[Swish]

Ban all the guns, and people will still have 1000s of guns. It's not a problem that'll go away.

Even in UK cities people convert replica pistols into working weapons despite rigorous controls.

[B4EQWASCOOL]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ban all the guns, and people will still have 1000s of guns. It's not a problem that'll go away.

Even in UK cities people convert replica pistols into working weapons despite rigorous controls.

Inmates in prisons construct guns. Yeah, they can be controlled. 8)

I'm not saying I'm pro/anti guns. I'm saying let's not kid ourselves about prohibition/laws.

[Doors]

Originally Posted by Tenlaar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Know what else it takes?

A gun.

Dylan Roof was also researching how to make bombs on the internet prior to his shooting rampage.

Lets ban the internet while we're at it. If someone makes a bomb following a guide they found online, it's definitely the Internets fault.

You see the flaw in this logic yet?

Fact is this kid was troubled from his youth, realistically had a bad child hood, shit friends, and during his teenage years he was hanging out with the wrong influential people. People that actually go over the brink and blow other human beings away during a church service travel a long fucked up road prior to their killing sprees. Dylan Roof didn't wake up one day after leading a productive positive life and decide to murder innocent people. This guy dropped out of high school in the ninth grade.

Where were his parents at?

Bottom line is nobody wants to accept responsibility when things like this happen, so they blame guns. Why wasn't his dad kicking his ass when he dropped out in ninth grade high school? What was he going to do down the road, be a janitor his whole life? Collect disability? Be another worthless dreg of society?

This kids parents were shit. They failed their son, then their son murdered innocent people. He could have used a knife if his hatred for African Americans was strong enough. Didn't matter. He was going to do what he went into that church to do whether he had a gun or a golf club.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Doors [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dylan Roof was also researching how to make bombs on the internet prior to his shooting rampage.

Lets ban the internet while we're at it. If someone makes a bomb following a guide they found online, it's definitely the Internets fault.

You see the flaw in this logic yet?

I think we should push this to its logical conclusion and let everyone pack nuclear weapons. Theyll think twice about shooting you if its rigged to your heartbeat and youll take out 15 city blocks with you if you die.