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[Kaz14]

Originally Posted by alaiwy0503 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is exactly why they're coming to RED. Because the rules are blue enough to give them easier access to raid targets. Even if Kringe does a good job of disrupting. 150 holo online will still win raid targets. Their goal is to have enough to split raid if they have to. So if you're a bluebie...why not join holo? the chances of having to REALLY pvp are next to none if all you do is login and raid with the zerg.

Yeah, it seems to me to go against the spirit of the server, which is disappointing. As I see it, if you have a large group that dominates raids, that's cool because others have the option to ally to fight them, convince some of the to defect, and otherwise oppose them - and oppose through PvP disruptions and brawling, which is unique thing that this server offers those who want it.

But when you have some people coming over and speaking with GMs try to create new rules or modify old ones, with the goal of promoting PvE over PvP, it is very disappointing because the whole ability to oppose them through PvP is gone - and that seems to me to be the whole reason to be on the PvP server in the first place. When you come in and do everything you can to make red server more blue, you are taking the PvP away from everyone else who specifically came here for that.

[alaiwy0503]

Originally Posted by Kaz14 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, it seems to me to go against the spirit of the server, which is disappointing. As I see it, if you have a large group that dominates raids, that's cool because others have the option to ally to fight them, convince some of the to defect, and otherwise oppose them - and oppose through PvP disruptions and brawling, which is unique thing that this server offers those who want it.

But when you have some people coming over and speaking with GMs try to create new rules or modify old ones, with the goal of promoting PvE over PvP, it is very disappointing because the whole ability to oppose them through PvP is gone - and that seems to me to be the whole reason to be on the PvP server in the first place. When you come in and do everything you can to make red server more blue, you are taking the PvP away from everyone else who specifically came here for that.

Yep, thus how the zerg mentality procreates like rabbits. On RZ there were 2-4 guilds near the top most the time with AD generally leading the pack. Here.....Holo accounts for literally 50% or more of the active accounts/logins according to Sirkdog. Pvp is fairly close to dead if it stays on its current path anyway. This just makes it more sure.

[Ragnaros]

Need Competition w/o petitionquest
please and thank you

[derpcake]

Its pretty funny that OP implies that holocaust will control Ntov, while at the same time seeming to believe that a small force is just going to get to a raid unscathed.

Ntov plenty of bottlenecks, lots of mobs that could hang around at those spots, holo would have a 10x easier time defending Ntov compared to porting into a prepared hate raid, and we know how that ended.

Please guys, stop posting on the forum and get shit going ingame. I hope you can do it!

[Ragnaros]

I hope kringe leads a resistance instead of just doing 6 man crews like he did in RD,
server would be a lot of fun and Kringe is a respectable person who plays nice w/o mass petitioning, would be some good times for raid and pvp scene competition.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by alaiwy0503 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, thus how the zerg mentality procreates like rabbits. On RZ there were 2-4 guilds near the top most the time with AD generally leading the pack. Here.....Holo accounts for literally 50% or more of the active accounts/logins according to Sirkdog. Pvp is fairly close to dead if it stays on its current path anyway. This just makes it more sure.

RZ had literally 5x the population of this server, so the comparison is pointless especially considering all 2-4 of those guilds were as big or bigger than Holo is here.

[alaiwy0503]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

RZ had literally 5x the population of this server, so the comparison is pointless especially considering all 2-4 of those guilds were as big or bigger than Holo is here.

Haha, you're going to say I can't compare the two because of population size then say that the size of holo wasn't as big as those on RZ? That logic is quite literally impeccable! /sarcasm

So, if you're saying the population of RZ is such that we can't compare them I would say, instead of 4-5 guilds this server could/should have 2 guilds.

[daasgoot]

remove pnp

[Kergan]

This server can't support 2 guilds of Holo's current size, Holo's current size is Velious era appropriate for a progression guild hate to break it to you.

Hope that clears things up.

[alaiwy0503]

Furthermore. My analogy wasn't about total #'s. If you read my response it was about the %'s. My statement about PVP is more about the amount of +100 hp/mana items that the raid guilds will have access to that the rest of the server won't.

In Kunark there are a handful of amazing items and they're rare, rile etc etc. In Velious there are a lot of 100 hp/mana items and the raid guilds could easily double the hp of non-raid guilds. The small guilds like Slosh will have to be very choosy in their battles. We will likely be blamed as only picking fights in which we are favored. And it will be true. Because 6v6 where the other 6 have twice the HP we have isn't a fair fight.

I knew that when I started on Red so i'm not upset/mad about it. But the facts are the facts.