Class defining epic

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no not really considering levelling a mage with epic pet would probably be more sweet than levelling a shaman with epic dot

I don't know what you mean about the raid buff jab. But It's true a Mage would prob be able to solo as well as a shaman if he had an epic and would essentially change the way the Mage is played too I concede that.

The shaman being able to output as much mana free dps as he's able to with an epic makes it more than just 'another' dot.. Or even more than just a free dot.

They simply wouldn't be the solo master class they are with out the epic, period.

But like I said I don't agree and that's just that, I think the shaman epic is more class defining than bard or cleric.

[Gotze]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know what you mean about the raid buff jab. But It's true a Mage would prob be able to solo as well as a shaman if he had an epic and would essentially change the way the Mage is played too I concede that.

The shaman being able to output as much mana free dps as he's able to with an epic makes it more than just 'another' dot.. Or even more than just a free dot.

They simply wouldn't be the solo master class they are with out the epic, period.

But like I said I don't agree and that's just that, I think the shaman epic is more class defining than bard or cleric.

agreed, magician epic is INSANE but your options to do raw soloing dont really go up, you just become a more faster and efficient soloer, such as seafuries, droga, etc

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by Waedawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Druid Epic right now (and probably later) is by far the most useless epic. It's either a really cool Stat Sword, or a really cool Stat Sword with a pathetic DoT.

I agree that it's bad now, but it'll open much better soloing options for druids with snare/root stacking. It's 3 mins of 55 dmg a tick. Not much, but coupled with ES arms or any of the quest wrists you can add another 36 a tick to that. Suddenly, we're doing 91 damage a tick for only 75 mana spent on the root. That's actually really good. 910 damage a minute, if you're patient, and can spend another 525 mana to add an additional 202 damage. 293 damage a tick for 600 mana spent is pretty good, I think.

[khanable]

Originally Posted by Waedawen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

But as far as Class Defining? I'd have to say the Warrior epics. I don't know how to explain it, but there is a distinct difference between a Warrior with light sabers and a Warrior without them.

Disagree, warrior epics are pretty meh in the grand scheme of things. Can tank better (that is, generate more hate) with two VP weapons.

They're colorful stat-sticks with a good ratio (slow, however) and one decent aggro proc.

[Nibblewitz]

Token wizard here.

The Staff of the Four is fairly game changing. In raid and group situations, I usually flux mobs and park them with root. Having a free 800 point rune makes this extremely efficient.

[Decad]

Cleric, Bard, Wizard in that order.

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Nibblewitz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Token wizard here.

The Staff of the Four is fairly game changing. In raid and group situations, I usually flux mobs and park them with root. Having a free 800 point rune makes this extremely efficient.

i will agree that wizard is game changing on red

[Waedawen]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

druids with snare/root stacking. It's 3 mins of 55 dmg a tick. Not much, but coupled with ES arms or any of the quest wrists you can add another 36 a tick to that. Suddenly, we're doing 91 damage a tick for only 75 mana spent on the root. That's actually really good..

This is absolutely true, all of it. It's goin' be gud, for sure, it's just that I, personally simply hate the fact that Summoning mobs are (mostly) the only mobs that drop good stuff.

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Disagree, warrior epics are pretty meh in the grand scheme of things. They're colorful stat-sticks with a good ratio (slow, however) and one decent aggro proc.

Well duh, yeah. There are better weapons. But there aren't any weapons that quite 'appear' the same, is my angle here.

[Doors]

Depends on the server. Cleric and bard good on both.

Wizard / rogue is game changing on red.

[fishingme]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair that is true. But on blue, anything else, raiding included is only 0.001% of the game.

Its just a totally different play style, completely new avenues that were not available are now available...

soloing group content isnt 100% of the game, but things you can do with your shaman changes that much once you get an epic.

To me no other class 'changes' once the epic is obtained, some minor roll changes in a raid for bard sure, ill grant it that. But for a shaman the whole class changes once you get an epic, totally different class altogether with rather than without an epic.

Granted in sky, youre going to do the same things I know, but come on did you make your shaman to sit and buff people on raids? I dont think so.

Shaman, biggest change from epic, ergo most class defining epic.

I have to agree here. Bard still does what bard does, sings songs. Shaman gets to literally destroy 10+ mobs at a time with epic. Not just that though, all the people who get pissed off at epic shamans for killing many mobs at the same time end up coming to the forums to complain about how much more badass epic shamans are? It's far too game changing, heck it even changes the forums without even trying.