suggestion - instanced TOV

[Eliseus]

Originally Posted by Bolix [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do take the point that it isn't "classic".
But, we have:

• FTE broadcasts
• raid mob lock-outs for guilds
• division into Class C and Class R raid mobs / guilds
• GM enforced raid bans for breach of these raiding rules

None of these measures are classic. They have all been introduced to help improve the raid scene. If we can have these non-classic measures, then I would suggest it is also feasible to have the non-classic instancing.

With regards to picking and chosing instancing, or making everything instanced.
I know that this would completely change the entire raid scene. That was why I only suggested ToV as an instanced raiding environment. I suggested this as it is (arguably) the top end raid zone. I am not suggesting that anything else be instanced, only ToV.

In response to the comment that I should simply go to another server. Well, I really like this server, and I think the team running it are doing a great job. I don't want to leave! I just want a chance for me personally, (and for all the other guilds who aren't hardcore raiders) to raid in ToV.

All classic actually. GM intervention was common among most servers in the raiding scene. Said intervention exists here.

Though I completely disagree with instanced content since it completely runes the immersion of the classic experience, it's not unrealistic to assume if amount of pop that battled for end game here existed on live during this period that intervention from the devs would of possibly been along similar lines, well, granted that doing things like instanced content wasn't out of their realm of knowledge and code at the time. That I can't say.

Anyways, back to the ignorant not classic spam.

Not classic!

[Bolix]

Originally Posted by Eliseus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All classic actually. GM intervention was common among most servers in the raiding scene. Said intervention exists here.

I can only speak from my experience of one server (Rallos zek) on live. We had 5 or 6 guilds who were reasonably good about rotations. We had a pretty good record of making agreements about mobs and sharing, and respecting which guild was there in force. However, this was all by player agreement. I am struggling to think of anytime that a GM was involved in regulating this system.
Now we have 10+ guilds who are all capable of raiding high end mobs. Unlike VP which requires keys (a natural bottle neck) TOV is open to everyone at the start. So you could potentially have 10 guilds waiting for a NTOV dragon to spawn and then charging it, with all the (accidental or otherwise) training of other mobs.

In terms of "classic", my experience of NTOV was great. We gathered our forces, COHed to arry, figured out how to kill him (maybe wiping once or twice on the way). Then we had 3 or 4 hours of crawling round killing big dragons. The challenge was the mobs, not the other players (I still look back with disappointment at the time we wiped to Lord Koi-Doken at 1%!).

My guess is that the p1999 experience of NTOV won't be the same. It will be: single dragon in NTOV spawns, 10 guilds will have been poopsocking it, log in and 1 minute later its dead.
I know that lots of people are vociferously opposed to instancing of anything. I just think that it would be a way to improve the game for the majority (and I did laugh at the "its not here to be enjoyable!" quote).

On live, they are having a huge debate about instancing all raid content on one of their new progression servers. Although on live, they don't have GMs who are committed to the server and who do a great job at cutting out all the crap that they have on live.

TLDR: We have lots of non-classic GM interventions to make raiding less toxic. Instancing is a (major) non-classic change which would make raiding more enjoyable for the majority. i would love instanced TOV

[Nirgon]

have fun on blue

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Safon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fuck off with instancing suggestions