What's the beef with boxing?

[Wharhog]

Eq is an old game, it is a great game. I single boxed from 99-06 and had a great time on very populated servers with plenty of groups. I played p99 and grouped exactly 0 times to 50. Why? Because everyone was already 50. When Kunark was released thankfully there were plenty of groups and I didn't have to solo to 60. Since this server has been in Kunark for 4+ years now....I am assuming you are running into the same problems I did when I leveled up my first time here.

P99 is the pinnacle of emulated servers because their content is the closest to live thus far and people enjoy playing here to relive their experiences on live. This server will never condone boxing or it would lose its core.

I myself enjoy boxing two, I do not get pigeon-holed into playing a class that can solo and I can do more to help move raids along playing two rather than one. Therefore I can get more accomplished in the amount of time that I play. This is my personal preference and I have never used any programs to "cheat" in any way because I enjoy the game for what it is. Learning to play two classes as well as one was like almost learning to play all over again. Learning the synergies between multiple classes is a whole other side of eq.

That being said, if you wish to box I would try one of the other EQemu servers that fits your play style.

[katrik]

Nobody wants it here.

[apio]

Sometimes you guys are hilarious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Whats next, soloing isn't allowed because it gives people the option to not group with you? I mean, where do you stop? I can see the argument for P99, since there is limited content for way too many people, but there are a lot of people boxing on P99, to hold down separate camps, which makes it hard to identify, so the limitations here really only serve to keep the "good people" in check !

Bottom line is I couldn't care less about boxing. Got no beef with it ! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[theaetatus]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

On blue 99 when the server was new I could understand a ban, but when I was leveling 1-35 two years ago the server was so top heavy that I had a real hard time finding anyone to group with. So much that I stopped playing my cleric to play a Druid so I could solo effectively. Part of this is likely due to mostly being able to play during non peak times?

I would suck at boxing myself but at least I could play any character like maybe a warrior if I had a cleric on the side to buff and heal. I don't want to get banned though so...

On red99, 6 months ago and now recently on a new character I can rarely find a group even in CB or Unrest?

Thoughts on boxing MMOs in general? Advice on finding groups on P99 servers < lvl 40?

I'm not sure what time you're playing but at peak times the usual levelling zones are packed with groups... Hell, there were even 2 full groups in Infected Paw the other week.

[Laugher]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Found a couple good points here
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...=184197&page=2
Seemed every point had a counter point. Mostly people just say they hate it without giving a reason or saying there would be no groups which as I stated I have never seen to be the case. Maybe people have seen that happen on other eq emu's?

The only real valid point I seen regarded using tools like mq2 but those are banned here right? And from what I read on the forums it is easy to find folks who use those tools.

My actual reason for not boxing? It feels like guitar hero without MQ to me much like how live WoW plays now; its just too much button mashing to feel rewarding when I know I could be playing here and enjoying playing the game. I mean I have a long list of other emus I've played, and all of them I boxed. Usually at least 2, but often times 3 boxes.

I'm not saying single boxing is the end-all to end-all, but even up to Gates-Omens era on live I hardly knew 3 different boxers, and only one of them boxed more than 2 toons. P99's policy on boxing helps emulate that community since emu players don't worry about the finances behind boxing like they did on live.

Coincidentally P99 has steadily hosted the largest eqemu pop I can remember in the last 8 years minus TGC.

tl;dr I'd probably just play newer MMOs if I had to box EQ again.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a server allows boxing then it basically forces everyone on that server to box. I boxed on live, and I wouldn't mind boxing occasionally here, but I would never want to feel like I have to box to "keep up with the Jones" (which is what would happen if P99 allowed boxing).

P99 has been in Kunark for like 200 years and you think you'd need to box to keep up with others?

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I boxed on live. At some point I stopped wanting to group and just wanted to see what the highest/hardest mob/encounter was that I could kill while boxing with myself.

It was very lonely. I'm glad people are forced to group here.

If it was lonely, you could have decided to group with people? The "forced kind community" argument is an interesting one though. Of course, if the boxing rule really did foster a spirit of community, you wouldn't expect to have the most anti-social raid scene ever created.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by kildone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Mostly people just say they hate it without giving a reason or saying there would be no groups which as I stated I have never seen to be the case. Maybe people have seen that happen on other eq emu's?

A lot of people have memories of their live EQ server dying around the time boxing became more widespread. They then blame the server death on boxing. In reality, the decline in population necessitated more boxing since there weren't enough people without.

[Daldaen]

Basically people want you to be forced to invite them into your group and be forced to interact with them whether you want to or not. These are the same people who whine when I don't feel like taking their 100 plat for porting them somewhere. Also why boxing was fantastic, you didn't have to bother other people to speed up your travel or recovery.

You wouldn't be forced to box. Especially if there were an IP limit put on that stuck you to 2 or 3 boxed characters. There is so much that requires more than 2 characters especially in Velious. 2 boxing would just be convenience mainly for transfers, ports, rezzes and filling final group spots or filling in a group spot that was vacated where the group wouldve collapsed without it.

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If it was lonely, you could have decided to group with people? The "forced kind community" argument is an interesting one though. Of course, if the boxing rule really did foster a spirit of community, you wouldn't expect to have the most anti-social raid scene ever created.

That antisocial raid scene is generated by the intense spirit of community. It's just tribalism.

Even it would be made tremendously worse with boxing.