Monk or Sham - who utilizes fungi more?

[squarez]

Real monks level up without a fungi (and are poor) /thuglife

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Andyman976 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So is a gfg and fbss decent dps on shaman?

Theoretically , post velious, is there a reason to go troll sham other than jbb?

At ~40+, mobs start hitting hard enough that stuff needs to be slowed, and shamans become pretty awesome to have in groups. At 45, you can start clicking jbb and don't need to rely on melee damage anymore. So we're really talking about the levels up to ~40-45, and for most of this lower range warriors and monks won't have the damage bonuses or combat skill advantages that bring their dps out of a shaman's league, especially when we're hasting ourselves. The 34-45 range will be when they'll start to pull ahead and you may consider root/rotting or using a stronger slow or dotting the mob while you melee.

In velious, I'm not sure shamans other than ToV raiders will cap stam self-buffed; I'll need to look at the gear. If not, the huge boost to stam that ogres and trolls get put them ahead of other races at 60 imo. A 60 troll has ~120 more hp than a 60 iksar in the same gear. Frontal stun immunity might be better at 60 than regen, but there probably won't ever be a fight that you lose as a troll where you can say, "damn, if I were an ogre I'd have lived through that". With that in mind, the path to 60 (well, the path to 60 + saving for torpor) is gonna be noticeably easier with racial regen, imo. But with GFG/fungi/FBSS --> JBB --> epic --> torpor, you're going to be OP no matter what race you go with (minus JBB for ikky =P).

[Ravager]

Sell it and get a set of rubicite and stand around in the tunnel all day in red plate.

[mr_jon3s]

Go Ogre Shaman or Iksar monk.

[Andyman976]

rubicite sounds fun lol.

OGres I dunno...the but crack thing is a big deterrent for trolls. Is it the pants or tunic that do the troll buttcrack ? Stun immunity...i dunno. Only works when you are tanking.

[mr_jon3s]

Originally Posted by Andyman976 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

rubicite sounds fun lol.

OGres I dunno...the but crack thing is a big deterrent for trolls. Is it the pants or tunic that do the troll buttcrack ? Stun immunity...i dunno. Only works when you are tanking.

A shaman is gonna tank. Root breaks and you have a mob beating on you. Not being stunned while your able to finish casting your spell, reroot, slow, or heal yourself is a huge boon.

[August]

I have done both with a fungi (and both of them without fungi when the fungi goes to another toon I'm hellbent on leveling).

For early levels, the monk uses the fungi way more. Just, you are an unstoppable-always-killing-mobs machine. Shamans are reliant on mana and can convert their hp to mana so they do have a way to regenerate their 'primary resource' via the fungi however it does take time / casts. A monk will naturally get the benefit, and, will do more damage than a shaman.

Shaman is one of the few classes that is augmented as it levels - most classes get weaker compared to NPCS their level as they level up, and a shaman does not. (Consider killing an even at level 5, and then killing an even at level 50).

At 45 a shaman with fungi (and JBB) becomes nigh unstoppable. Monks will still have to rest between mobs to regain hp, while a shaman can solo stables in CoM singlehandedly never stopping. Shamans power level at 50 (if you do epic - and you should if you can afford a fungi. Grind the rep in CoM from 40->50 and either pay 30k for the tear/fight or get a guild) skyrockets to the point where I can non-stop kill 4 mobs at once. Without the fungi this is still possible but you have to be much more careful.

Of course, it all depends if you want to solo or group. I'd say from a pure fun factor, take the monk all the way to 51+. You won't be soloing much after that, so get a RotWF and then give your fungi to a newly made shaman and enjoy the raw power that the class provides.

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by mr_jon3s [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A shaman is gonna tank. Root breaks and you have a mob beating on you. Not being stunned while your able to finish casting your spell, reroot, slow, or heal yourself is a huge boon.

stuns don't kill shamans, push kills shamans

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

stuns don't kill shamans, push kills shamans

Yep. Ogres get interrupted all the time, just ask my Ogre SK. Stun <> interrupt! Go with innate fungi.

[captnamazing]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sell it and get a set of rubicite and stand around in the tunnel all day in red plate.

fucking truth man. this is what eQ is all about