Serious question for GM's

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but i personally have been campaigning to the staff to make boxing into a first violation = permaban offense.

I thought this WAS the case.

[fred schnarf]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

what i know and what i can prove are very different things. comments like yours are exactly why its so hard to find people to staff red. a lot of you nerds are under the impression that as staff we can just whatever we want on a whim. sadly thats just not the case. and if youd ban players without evidence, then red is really lucky not to have staff members like you on the team


i very much doubt this. two boxers are given 30 days. i know some guides will do 15 if the person is honest about it. but i personally have been campaigning to the staff to make boxing into a first violation = permaban offense. furthermore, not all two boxing is created equally, meaning, some people are very lazy when it comes to boxing, and they are easier to catch. if you dont show up on our detector, then a guide would have to see a petition and have the time to run a manual 2 box test, as opposed to just going off the detector.


tldr - play better

staff dont do things on a whim? why is miraclegrow banned? i didnt do shit

why is dirtie banned? i didnt do shit

why is burtox banned? i didnt do shit, zade said i tried to sell him and had 0 proof , i purchased him 100% legitly and his main excuse was that he was sold a dozen times, and again it was totally legal.

[Bodybagger]

Any major infraction should be permaban... I.E. boxing, RMT, account sharing, other such major violations that impact everyone and ruin the box. Why would you let them come back to do more of the same?

If you believe people change so much how are you successfully campaigning a kunark era Everquest server?!?! We don't change... we are who we are and have always been! A thief is a thief, a liar is a liar, and a cheat is a cheat. The only thing that changes is how many people they drag down with them every time, and as they persist, and as people eventually decide if you can't beat 'em, join 'em, or fight fire with fire.

Rules keep honest people honest. Punishments keep dishonest people separate from the honest people. There is no gray area for boxing. You can't unintentionally break that rule. It takes a lot of effort to break that rule. Why would the punishment not be the utmost severity, exile form the box? I do not understand. It seems like everyone gets time outs at best... that stuff doesn't work past 4yrs old or so, and even then it doesn't work if you put them in timeout but you are a softy and still let them have their ice cream...

[Bodybagger]

Originally Posted by fred schnarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

staff dont do things on a whim? why is miraclegrow banned? i didnt do shit

why is dirtie banned? i didnt do shit

why is burtox banned? i didnt do shit, zade said i tried to sell him and had 0 proof , i purchased him 100% legitly and his main excuse was that he was sold a dozen times, and again it was totally legal.

I don't know this guy, but case in point, 3 banned accounts it sounds like and continues to be around box and sounds like persistent problem? Why? Why would the staff want people like that around, why would the players? Why is that even an issue? You would think repeat offenders would be the absolutely utmost nonfactors in consideration for being allowed back on the box...

It all just seems very... hollow. They cry but they are still here, and continue getting in trouble, then cry some more. They get scolded but are still here and get scolded some more but stay here... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by dontbanpls [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Does downloading a virtual machine and playing through a VPN equate to playing better?

i was referring to your attempts at trolling, but yes, it would also apply within the realm of 2boxing. those that make it harder to be caught, will be harder to catch. /mindblown

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought this WAS the case.

i dont know why you did. Amelinda made it a suspension first offense over 3 years ago, and as been the policy since that time.

Originally Posted by fred schnarf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

staff dont do things on a whim? why is miraclegrow banned? i didnt do shit. why is dirtie banned? i didnt do shit. why is burtox banned? i didnt do shit, zade said i tried to sell him and had 0 proof , i purchased him 100% legitly and his main excuse was that he was sold a dozen times, and again it was totally legal.

if you are srs, petition forum it. include if these are game or forum accounts, and if game, which server.

Originally Posted by Bodybagger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't know this guy, but case in point, 3 banned accounts it sounds like and continues to be around box and sounds like persistent problem? Why? Why would the staff want people like that around, why would the players? Why is that even an issue? You would think repeat offenders would be the absolutely utmost nonfactors in consideration for being allowed back on the box...
It all just seems very... hollow. They cry but they are still here, and continue getting in trouble, then cry some more. They get scolded but are still here and get scolded some more but stay here... [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i still dont think you understand how things work in real life. we have IP banned hundreds and hundreds of IP addresses. we have banned a ton of known proxy and VPN IP addresses. we continue to IP ban when warranted, even though it is not a very useful tactic anymore. you need remember EQEmu accounts are free, and the p99 staff is not the EQEmu staff. some of these people have dozens of accounts, and are freely able to continue creating as many as they want until the end of time. if they get banned and they decide to reroll a new account and follow the rules, then you shouldnt care. if they get banned and they decide to reroll a new account and continue to break the rules, then they will be banned again, and again you shouldnt care. if you know people are breaking rules, SS it or fraps it and send it to the petition forum. instead of immediately busting out the tinfoil, help us help you.

[Littlegyno 13.0]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i was referring to your attempts at trolling, but yes, it would also apply within the realm of 2boxing. those that make it harder to be caught, will be harder to catch. /mindblown


i dont know why you did. Amelinda made it a suspension first offense over 3 years ago, and as been the policy since that time.


if you are srs, petition forum it. include if these are game or forum accounts, and if game, which server.


i still dont think you understand how things work in real life. we have IP banned hundreds and hundreds of IP addresses. we have banned a ton of known proxy and VPN IP addresses. we continue to IP ban when warranted, even though it is not a very useful tactic anymore. you need remember EQEmu accounts are free, and the p99 staff is not the EQEmu staff. some of these people have dozens of accounts, and are freely able to continue creating as many as they want until the end of time. if they get banned and they decide to reroll a new account and follow the rules, then you shouldnt care. if they get banned and they decide to reroll a new account and continue to break the rules, then they will be banned again, and again you shouldnt care. if you know people are breaking rules, SS it or fraps it and send it to the petition forum. instead of immediately busting out the tinfoil, help us help you.

in the past this hasn't always been the case. ender for example rerolled 3-4 times and was banned each time the staff found out it was ender.

all for stripping mellowyellow and deleting the character (which by the way every item and the character was restored).

[Bodybagger]

So If they GET CAUGHT breaking rules and come back and DON'T get caught, I shouldn't care and should assume they are goog guys... and if they do get caught and come back and do get caught, I again shouldn't care... I should just for some reason care about playing by the rules and not care if other people do...?

I'm not sure you know how things work in real life, if that's the genuine stance... People don't go to work all day and bust hump instead of robbing people because they love it, they do it because consequences outweigh any benefits. We all know the benefits of robbing a bank, and the consequences, so very few decide the risk is worth the reward, and usually they are just arrogant enough to think they won't get caught. Take away the risk and more people rob banks.

Regardless, got the answer I was looking for I think.. basically it's too difficult/impossible to stop the bad players because they know they are bad and try hard to cover up how bad they are being and you have limited means to do anything about it so limited effort goes into stopping it. We should all just make the best of it, and try to avoid the temptations of being bad guys with them for the pure moral pride of being better human beings, and not making your box into a litter box full of cat turds.

On a side note, I made a comment about level based PVP system in another thread, did you by any chance notice it? There are a LOT of threads so probably not, but I would be interested in exploring the feasibility of it and getting yalls thoughts on the matter as well, if nothing else but for sake of discussing it and brainstorming and seeing more how you guys process and think on the matters.

[Kergan]

I fully support the idea of all banned characters being thrown into the arena to battle for their freedom.

This could be a monthly event.

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[Littlegyno 13.0]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

relax there young nerd. everybody gets caught eventually. and so im gonna ignore the rest of that nerdranty paragraph.

please dont be purposely dense. my "do you understand RL comment" was directed at our RL means of preventing people from logging into the server. you trying to twist it into people breaking rules on ElfQuest and then comparing that to breaking RL laws is laughable at best.

i know youre being sarcastic, but yea youre 100% right. they can make infinite accounts because they are free to make. they can reset IPs. we are a volunteer staff with limited time due to RL obligations like jobs, families, friends, and significant others. so i mean, yes youre right, people shouldnt act like pieces of shit, and should ostracize the people that do act shitty. and if that happened, it would go a long way towards improving the server imo.

i havent seen it, but i will check it out when i have a few minutes that i dont have to spend responding to this ridiculous thread [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's a tough situation.

you can't 100% police everything on the server like verant did because the staff is like 3-4 volunteers not 1-2 paid staff with 20-30 guides.

on the other hand, when large portions of the box say 'hey this dude is a shady fuck and is a 2boxer' for the previous 2 years, it'd say its a good idea to investigate a little further.

hopefully in the next month or two before velious red can get some red specific guides, like 3-4 guides that can be the eyes and ears of sirkdog the magnificent.

[qwerty]

Just because I rob banks in RL does not mean I'm scum in p99!!!! Stop judging me!!!!