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[Steel Warrior]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The only deviation I suggested from classic is starting out with held and range items being unlootable and possibly adding level reqs for hi level items so guys like you arent too afraid to play.

A fresh server with a classic timeline would attract a lot of bluebies and retired players for pure classic eq experience that hasnt been offered since 1999..Blue 99 was the first attempt but its ultra long timeline and r99s also extended timeline means people are retiring due to multiple BIS toons. Server gets unhealthy. A lot of people would be happy to be a part of a brand new rock solid server regardless of ruleset.

You're trying to use the promise of a new server to draw people into a rules set that most people hate. Good luck with that.

[Kergan]

It's funny that I get called a pussy and a blubie for not wanting item loot. It's the complete opposite, my memory from RZ (one of the few people posting in this thread who actually played on that server for a significant amount of time during item loot, at the high end raiding scene) is a bunch of sheep cowering in zones like Paw so they could actually use half the shit they had accumulated.

I was one of the few people going out there in full regalia and it made PVP easy and stupid. You think people plug fast now? Gate fast, run away fast now? Make it so it actually matters when they die and see how fast they do it. See how many people venture away from zonelines. See how many people actually try their best to win, and don't spend 5 seconds fighting then the next 30 seconds aiming their toon into the middle of the zone with autorun while they furiously bag their shit.

I've experienced everything you want for this server and it was STUPID. It made PVP worse on a PVP server across the board, and the only people who actually liked it were low level non factor gankers like most of the people posting their support for it in this thread.

[Rec]

I want them to implement this just so we can see the epic failure and we can all move on to the next supposed great idea.

[Gustoo]

We can implement it on the new server so red 99 can stay in tact for everyone who hates it. Plugging is what's for dinner. Level 60 pvp usually consists of a team of aggressors screwing up someones raid or grinding or pharming group, so who cares. Id you are doing pve you are avoiding pvp regardless.

If you were rolling cowards because you wore full gear on live at level 60 during kunark era then I congratulate you. Your dominance is well deserved considering the heightened risk you were taking.

A lot of people like the idea of item loot. Those that don't already have r99 which is apparently an ideal server. If item loot server sucks people will stop playing there and come back to red or blue.

Its the only classic eq experience the p99 staff hasn't done yet..so I think it is a logical next server.

Another fun one would be a classic era discord server like was done on live, but I think that would be best saved for long after velious comes out on the new item loot 99 server just to offer a fresh take on pvp.

[Nirgon]

He does have a point with the RZ players being more mentally balanced / less vicious / 24-7 staff (they got paid) and item loot

People that thought VZTZ was tough were right because of the community, but Sirken has said the special little snow flakes here are infinitely.... "more special as a snow flake" than the ones on VZTZ

It might not be for everyone but alas it is for the classic red experience

I don't think you understand that with a classic resist system (we're getting there, tweaks are coming next patch) that no drop items and a full set of player resist buffs is just fine for some good pvping.

Obviously if you want to be the "invincible to non lure damage without being dispelled/debuffs master race" you will have to risk some resist gear which is, ya know, the end of the world when people are bragging about offering 5 fungis to an SK leaving the server for his epic

[Kergan]

I'm not opposed to trying out item loot on a new server honestly, with a classic timeline in place. It really only works in classic anyway when there are only a couple high ticket droppable non weapons like tobrins eyepatch, cloak of flames, etc. The kunark era is where it goes to shit when it comes to risk vs reward (fungi, trak bps, fbhs, VS legs), and by Velious you can put BiS non drop items in every slot so the only people risking anything are people on the lower end of the gear scale.

I'd really love to see the devs break the classic or bust model for a new PVP server and take some cues from some of the other PVP boxes that have existed.

[Nirgon]

FBH pretty damn easy to farm, fungi same, vs legs don't be a dum dum

Hate doesn't drop nearly enough gems right now... that should cover any issues

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

RZ was the only pvp server I played on when I was younger. I only got to level 25 or something on it and it really had stopped being fun the minute I had some investment into it.

When I was 15 I wanted to grief but by extension, the ease of which it could be done discouraged me from really investing in it.

If it were around today, I wouldn't play it. Kergan really hitting the nail on the head.

On this character, some life events have forced me to go ultra casual ie if I die at the end of a session there is a good chance I'll need to petition to have it summoned 7+ days later. This severely limits my ability to acquire nodrop gear and therefore compete at any level.

Ymmv but I'm definitely not in 5 fungi territory or well off enough to have my shit looted.

[Gustoo]

Totally reasonable. The server ruleset dictates playstyle and I too am ultra super casual here. On item loot Id probably be a pk avenger and just log on looking for known twink pks to do battle with even if I tend to lose it could help other lowbies get some levels while the twink dude is fighting me.

Its just a different play style that makes pvp more critical and is why I think there is room for two pvp servers.

I think r99 is great but low levels are just levels to rush through here. With item loot people make twinks at optimal levels...like level 12 or 16 for a wizzie..level 10 or 20 for a rogue and level 30 for 2h classes. The game balances differently at different level ranges and makes for a lot of fun. People love making twinks and bad guys and good guys would enjoy a real reason to kill them.

Thats why SOME people like item loot and why we should make such a server happen. I think the present server is amazing and beautiful but would love to see an item loot one happen because of the unique harder core risky scary dynamic it brings to EQ. No modern game comes close.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Totally reasonable. The server ruleset dictates playstyle and I too am ultra super casual here. On item loot Id probably be a pk avenger and just log on looking for known twink pks to do battle with even if I tend to lose it could help other lowbies get some levels while the twink dude is fighting me.

Its just a different play style that makes pvp more critical and is why I think there is room for two pvp servers.

I think r99 is great but low levels are just levels to rush through here. With item loot people make twinks at optimal levels...like level 12 or 16 for a wizzie..level 10 or 20 for a rogue and level 30 for 2h classes. The game balances differently at different level ranges and makes for a lot of fun. People love making twinks and bad guys and good guys would enjoy a real reason to kill them.

Thats why SOME people like item loot and why we should make such a server happen. I think the present server is amazing and beautiful but would love to see an item loot one happen because of the unique harder core risky scary dynamic it brings to EQ. No modern game comes close.

It would be nice if we could loot coin and 1 bagged item with current rules. It would limit how many sets of armor people bring around or give people a chance to at least loot some expensive potions. If you have something like a manastone or AoN you just need to keep it in a slot. You would only be able to save like 4 items this way and it would force people to make tough decisions with what gear to role with.

These rules would have no effect on low level PvP besides letting someone maybe loot a gem, etc.