So monks got nerfed overall then.

[Calibretto]

Originally Posted by apio [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

how pathetic can you get. roflcopter

This guy's message is ironically funny.

[Rararboker]

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....the tears are ridiculous

[Cecily]

Originally Posted by falendar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a large portion of rogue dmg is from bs, not reg attacks, so no this would affect rog very little.

Backstab accounts for about 35-40% of a L60 rogue's DPS. Main hand is ~40% and offhand is about 20%. Numbers pulled from memory of ALOT of pre-patch parses.If you think a nerf to 60% of my damage is very little, yeah... Not excited to see the new numbers.

However, I do think I read that mobs are more dangerous now? That's fantastic. I loved getting destroyed when I played bad on live. Rogues were mainly fun to play because of that risk.

PS: I think double backstab is tied to double attack as well, so it might be impacting rogue damage across the board.

[Cecily]

Also, dps monks:

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[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Rayzor84 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If by real monks u mean monks who hit 50+ and have been relegated to pulling with no other role whatsoever in the game. Enjoy that.

What great super crazy fun unique role do you think you are missing out on?

Hitting auto-attack and watching your dps numbers rise or fall should affect your enjoyment of this game while raiding in exactly the same way it did before the patch: not at all.

Most classes have pretty much 1 standard raid role...sometimes just hitting auto attack and listening to directions. welcome to classic eq.

at least monks get a semi-unique role as pullers for raids.

[hammertime7795]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Backstab accounts for about 35-40% of a L60 rogue's DPS. Main hand is ~40% and offhand is about 20%. Numbers pulled from memory of ALOT of pre-patch parses.If you think a nerf to 60% of my damage is very little, yeah... Not excited to see the new numbers.

However, I do think I read that mobs are more dangerous now? That's fantastic. I loved getting destroyed when I played bad on live. Rogues were mainly fun to play because of that risk.

PS: I think double backstab is tied to double attack as well, so it might be impacting rogue damage across the board.

I think you are overestimating backstab a bit but not much. I don't know why people think that the majority of rogue damage comes from backstab. Velious weapons increase rogue dps a huge ammount and are still capped at 15damage.

[Elf_scout]

This is a thread about monks, but I play a 40 SK and it seems to me that I dish out less melee damage than I used to. I don't have parses now/before patch to compare, so this could just be my imagination, therefore I have to ask have other SK's noticed this as well?

[Cecily]

Here's an old plane of sky clear over the course of 135 mobs.

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%: 41 pierce, 34 backstab, 25 slash.

It's helpful to think of rogues as warriors with a nice kick button. Warriors actually do very good damage. It'd just that Backstab is a moderate sum of extra damage piled on to what a warrior could do. Main / offhand ratios are where most of our damage comes from, by far.

[falendar]

Originally Posted by Cecily [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Backstab accounts for about 35-40% of a L60 rogue's DPS. Main hand is ~40% and offhand is about 20%. Numbers pulled from memory of ALOT of pre-patch parses.If you think a nerf to 60% of my damage is very little, yeah... Not excited to see the new numbers.

However, I do think I read that mobs are more dangerous now? That's fantastic. I loved getting destroyed when I played bad on live. Rogues were mainly fun to play because of that risk.

PS: I think double backstab is tied to double attack as well, so it might be impacting rogue damage across the board.

yes, that is a large portion of their dps, they are the least effected by this, I do not believe double attack is tied to bs but if someone has concrete proof lemme know. monks do about 90% of their dps through straight attacks and 10% from flying kick. warriors are probably 95% maybe 90 through kicks/ripostes. rangers are probably in the 85-90% range although i don' know if they use any dmg spells on targets at this point in the game. so when rogues can shrug 40% of their total dmg done on an ability that is huge when their is a dw/da nerf it will affect them only a little compared to everyone else.

[hammertime7795]

Yeah you were saying 35-40. I think its more like 33-37. Just a bit lower than you were saying. I raided as a rogue from classic to TSS and backstab was always around 1/3 of overall dps at the start. Some xpacs it was a bit higher some lower. SOV its a lower % but rogues overall dps was probably the highest compared to other classes of any xpac. Rogues are king dps in velious by far. Or were back in the day anyway.