Enchanter INT vs CHA Question

[MaSQue]

Trying to find out where I need to get my stats at on ym Enchanter. I have one on Red99 now and am curious where I should get a soft cap on CHA? I was told once to get CHA to 200, then start working on INT. I want to have a solid mana pool but I want my charms to hold as well. Any Help?

[beel]

Hi,

I am wondering about the same. Created my enchanter a couple of weeks back and put all base points into CHA following the same "CHA to 200" advice you have gotten, as I wanted charms to hold.

I am now wondering I should not have done this. Reading line 1237 through 1241 https://github.com/EQEmu/Server/blob...ggro.cpp#L1237 it seems that CHA does not affect duration of the charm, but simply just the initial resist chance of the spell. Am I misunderstanding something?

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

I noticed a big difference at 200 and a smaller but noticeable difference from 200-255.

I have 255 with my cha gear on and 215 with my regular gear on. I'd say if it's the difference between sub-200 and int gear, go with 200 cha as early charm breaks are likely to have a noticeable effect and negate your deeper mana pool.

[Iumuno]

Originally Posted by beel [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hi,

I am wondering about the same. Created my enchanter a couple of weeks back and put all base points into CHA following the same "CHA to 200" advice you have gotten, as I wanted charms to hold.

I am now wondering I should not have done this. Reading line 1237 through 1241 https://github.com/EQEmu/Server/blob...ggro.cpp#L1237 it seems that CHA does not affect duration of the charm, but simply just the initial resist chance of the spell. Am I misunderstanding something?

These are live parsing, and yes that's how it was on live back then, which made CHA useless for charming as any mob that could straight up resist charm wouldn't last more than a few ticks anyway.

However it seems to be different on p1999. From casual observation, I will concur and say that CHA seems to have a significant impact on charm duration.

[Polyphemous]

The only times i get an initial resist on charm is if the mob is too high of a level for that charm (52+ for allure.)

About the only time I run low on mana is if I get a bad string of charm breaks shortly after rebuffing. So even if the marginal increase is less after 200 cha I still prioritize cha over int.

My understanding of how charm duration works is that every tick there are 3 checks: MR, lvl vs lvl, and charisma. The mob has to make all 3 checks in order to break charm. This is why if you are charming a green you don't need a very high charisma, but if you are charming something on the edge of danger you need every bit you can get because the mob is probably making its lvl check every time and MR is a crap shoot.

[MaSQue]

Working on my CHA gear and am only at 168 CHA lol, how in the world do we get it to 200+ without being planar? Would appreciate some items to be listed to kinda help us newer Chanters on our way.

I currently have the follow CHA gear .........
+9 CHA Necklace
2x +7 Wrists
2x +7 Rings
a Mask with +8 CHA on it
Head with +13 CHA
Ishva Robr +5 CHA
Loam Boots +8 CHA
Rod with +12 CHA

Current Stats Are: INT 150 CHA 178
Still missing 2x Ears (Will prolly get 2x Crafter CHA Earrings) and legs plus a Ranged item.
Where do I wanna be with INT to be able to have the Mana Pool to keep the group safe with CC and buffs etc etc? Whats a good number for INT?

Where do i go from here guys?

[Man0warr]

You don't need to be over 200 unbuffed - you have a buff that gives +50 CHA at 56.

If you are still leveling up solo, ditch INT for CHA so you can get 200 buffed.

Some other high CHA items are Rod of Insidious Glamour for main hand, and Crude Stein for Offhand.

I'd also ditch those rings for 55 HP.

[MaSQue]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't need to be over 200 unbuffed - you have a buff that gives +50 CHA at 56.

If you are still leveling up solo, ditch INT for CHA so you can get 200 buffed.

Some other high CHA items are Rod of Insidious Glamour for main hand, and Crude Stein for Offhand.

I'd also ditch those rings for 55 HP.

The first CHA buff I get is +18 so I guess I need to get it to at least 182 so the buff gets me to 200 even, I only got 16 more CHA to go, gonna get 10 of that with the 2x Earrings. and if can ever find Drake Legs that gives me 15/16. I might have to adjust gear to get the extra points. Already trying to find a Rod as we speak and oh lord why would I drop my CHA Rings ..... It's hard enough to get CHA up as it is for me and that 100 extra health should not make THAT big of a difference. Also whats the better Ranged item for Enchanter?

Current Stats "now" Are: INT 151 CHA 183
Will this work through mid levels? Will I have a decent enough supply of mana for grouping? I am sure my CHA is now fine once I hit 20 and get my CHA buff.

[Man0warr]

110 extra hp is huge - solo, grouping, any situation.

Rod/Crude Stein will easily make up for the CHA you lose from rings.

[MaSQue]

Think I'll be ok, so far haven't had any problems or issues. Just need to get to 20 now and see how the Charming goes, thinking will be tons of fun, never did that before.