Stop the Socking

[Joyelle]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe we need people like this guy who's hearts aren't so tainted by the poop in their socks and the pixels in their bags.

He's got very good point, and the raiding population on this server is grossly in excess of what this content was designed to accommodate.

What if all respawn timers were made classic, then cut by 2/3rds, and given +/- 1 hour variance?

Numbers are rough but this lets more people get more loot and is somewhat of a scaleable way to handle the mass demand for these mobs.

Exclude VP or let the guilds who could handle VP come up with VP specific rules, since that's it's own beast.

I remember this type of thing being proposed before, but ultimately the upper echelon of the raid scene shot it down because the argument was that it would devalue their pixels. I'm pretty sure people have even proposed it with greatly diminished loot tables and it was met with a wall of Not Classic.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was Taken who turned it into what it is. Everyone freely admits this in other discussions. I used it as a point of reference. If you can't understand how to have an adult discussion please remove yourself from the discussion.

What?

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...16&postcount=1

dated 7/15/14 when he amended this to allow for mages to track ( after much uproar )

Its 10/28/2014

So around 3 months of this 'style' of raiding has single handily ruined the raid scene?

Give me a break.

3 months of having mages dominate tracking did not ruin the raid scene, not even close, the raid scene was already reaching boiling points in several areas ( mainly FFA) BEFORE Sirken made that post.....its why...'gasp'....he even instituted a change

Its like you guys dont even remember javspam-autofire tagging

Oh right that was only Taken doing that as well.

I guess Taken is pretty much responsible for the raid changes too since our leader was a part of those discussions, might as well give us credit for that since we already get credit for the other stuff we didnt create.

back on subject


Lazie I totally understand your point about creating a barrier of entry for new raid guilds (or current ones) that basically requires them to make a guild mage account to participate in FFA. I get that. Makes sense that theres a fundamental problem with that because its dumb to require ANYTHING that specific to join in when everyone should have a pretty equal shot at getting the encounter cept for gear/experience/skill.

The racing tho, is not the perfect solution, its another band aid solution albeit one that would provide us with something different for a couple months.

So if TMO's goal is to give us something different for now with no big changes to the overall feel than thats fine and all, but we are trying to figure out what can be done to the overall fundamental feel within the confines of R/C/FFA system.

The only thing I like about racing is anyone can do it.

There are many things I dislike about racing, so many I am not going to list them again.

If we could standard issue mages with COH to any guild that wanted to try FFA, it would be as close to level playing field and easy to police as we can get.

Problem is it's ridiculous to have that much power to 1 class in the raid game's success or fail.

So, besides racing and besides mages and besides repops are FFA R/C


what other ideas we got? there are smart people out there...

[Raev]

Any changes have to happen in the code. I would think the past four years have taught us that.

Also, lets not kick the current system too hard. It has plenty of problems, but the R rotation and more frequent repops are huge, huge improvements.

[Korben]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Id like to see a number of things like this to happen but the issue is that staff has made pretty clear to us is that they are not considering anything that requires more changes to the code. They want us to all learn how to play nice and come to an agreement together.

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember this type of thing being proposed before, but ultimately the upper echelon of the raid scene shot it down because the argument was that it would devalue their pixels. I'm pretty sure people have even proposed it with greatly diminished loot tables and it was met with a wall of Not Classic.

Catherin,

What if the answer is we can't play nicely together?

Joyelle,

Same sort of question. If people can't play nicely together because they don't want their pixels devalued, I think we've identified the problem.



When the overwhelming majority of the server is mostly(I fucking said mostly, please don't nit pick) in agreeable position on how to handle a situation that has been so hotly debated, and a very small portion of the server is unwilling to budge because of their irrational fears of lootflation, isn't it an easy decision to do what benefits the overwhelming majority, who can concede certain points to the "other side" in pursuit of a better environment for all?

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Any changes have to happen in the code. I would think the past four years have taught us that.

Also, lets not kick the current system too hard. It has plenty of problems, but the R rotation and more frequent repops are huge, huge improvements.

right I agree

some have problem with the current barrier of entry to the FFA scene ( a guild coh mage account )

which is a legit concern, however there doesnt seem to be many options to change that besides some kind of convoluted COH ducking agreement but it still requires a mage to be brought to the spawn point to gate in the FTEer

Dald poses a great question tho: this past FFA VS, did IB and TMO use mages? Because Taken was not there at all.......

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Catherin,

What if the answer is we can't play nicely together?

I don't know [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] Only way is to find a way to convince staff, but they seem to have taken a pretty hard stance on no code change.

I don't have much faith in the two classes coming together on anything either, as we are basically worlds apart on how we think the game should be enjoyed. And I personally think any change will have to be code too.

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Catherin,

What if the answer is we can't play nicely together?

Joyelle,

Same sort of question. If people can't play nicely together because they don't want their pixels devalued, I think we've identified the problem.



When the overwhelming majority of the server is mostly(I fucking said mostly, please don't nit pick) in agreeable position on how to handle a situation that has been so hotly debated, and a very small portion of the server is unwilling to budge because of their irrational fears of lootflation, isn't it an easy decision to do what benefits the overwhelming majority, who can concede certain points to the "other side" in pursuit of a better environment for all?

Its how we got to the current ruleset we have today.

and that was pulling teeth....

Theres not going to be much in the way of 'benefiting the overwhelming majority' because in the more hardcore's mindset and eyes they were the only ones giving up things ( spawns ) with any agreement.

So while the casual community has the 'majority' of the playerbase, the problem is they have no bargaining chips that the hardcores want or wanted rather since they are the ones who controlled all the raid targets.

Since casuals did not have much to offer that the hardcores werent already getting 100% of, there was very little movement with anyone's proposals til the Staff stepped in and slapped each side around.

[wwoneo]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When the overwhelming majority of the server is mostly(I fucking said mostly, please don't nit pick) in agreeable position on how to handle a situation that has been so hotly debated, and a very small portion of the server is unwilling to budge because of their irrational fears of lootflation, isn't it an easy decision to do what benefits the overwhelming majority, who can concede certain points to the "other side" in pursuit of a better environment for all?

This is starting to sound an awful lot like a World of Warcraft Motto/Mission Statement.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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When the overwhelming majority of the server is mostly(I fucking said mostly, please don't nit pick) in agreeable position on how to handle a situation that has been so hotly debated, and a very small portion of the server is unwilling to budge because of their irrational fears of lootflation, isn't it an easy decision to do what benefits the overwhelming majority, who can concede certain points to the "other side" in pursuit of a better embodiment for all?

There's probably good intentions there, but we all know what paves the path to hell. Tyranny of the majority is still tyranny, it still sucks, and you know it would never stop at "we're just gonna put TMO and IB in their place."

I'm a CasualScum[tm] and a ChestCrony[tm], and I could not disagree more with your suggestion. It's fine to express frustration in those terms, but that's no way to run an EQ server.

[Wenuven]

Originally Posted by Joyelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I remember this type of thing being proposed before, but ultimately the upper echelon of the raid scene shot it down because the argument was that it would devalue their pixels. I'm pretty sure people have even proposed it with greatly diminished loot tables and it was met with a wall of Not Classic.

I wonder if they would be more willing to implement this at Velious launch.

That way most Kunark loot is already going to implode in value, and any new uber loot from Velious will be addressed before it is stockpiled.