Rules Lawyers: the Myconid Spore King

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by teija [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we all can agree the tube room is not "very near" the King at all, exit room mabey, thro door near water would be in my opinion "very near" the king.

just my 2 cents.

This is where the rule becomes subjective, and you don't know what "nearby" really means until the GM rules on it.

IMO, tube room is not near fungi king. exit room is.

Not only is the lower zone out room (or the hall just outside that room) geographically nearby to the king room, but it is the better logical place to set up camp to avoid unnecessary roamers and potential issues in a camp that is actually challenging for most folks to hold.

The surgical strike is a non-issue imo, though I don't know if GMs take this into account. To me, it makes zero difference whether or not someone is sniping the PH and leaving every other mob in the zone up or if they are slaughtering everything in the zone. As long as there is no zone disruption (i.e. training of mobs on others to split the camp) sniping is perfectly legit imo. If GMs do take this into account when ruling, I don't see it anywhere in the policy regarding camps.

[Korben]

Why the fuck do we always have to break the law book out? 3 people are constantly killing whatever they're after for hours on end, why should you feel like it's your right to move in and take shit from them just because you have 6 people and can sit closer? I seriously don't understand the sense of inherent entitlement people feel they have here.

Oh, hey folks, I see you guys have been consistently killing this mob and are using your knowledge of pull/game mechanics to your advantage, but if you don't mind would you kindly go fuck yourself because me and my 5 friends are going to brute force this trivial encounter. THAT will surely show everybody who is right.

[texwilly]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why the fuck do we always have to break the law book out? 3 people are constantly killing whatever they're after for hours on end, why should you feel like it's your right to move in and take shit from them just because you have 6 people and can sit closer? I seriously don't understand the sense of inherent entitlement people feel they have here.

Oh, hey folks, I see you guys have been consistently killing this mob and are using your knowledge of pull/game mechanics to your advantage, but if you don't mind would you kindly go fuck yourself because me and my 5 friends are going to brute force this trivial encounter. THAT will surely show everybody who is right.

Great conversations going on here. I was originally against the "snipe" pulling technique, thinking along with the OP that a full group clearing the area, camping legitimately "nearer" the spawn, should have priority. I think I was siding this way due to the frustrations of the camp being consistently occupied by this style of group for the past few months (king groups have all but disappeared).

I believe I have seen the light from the above quote. I have changed teams for sure.

[Korben]

Originally Posted by texwilly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Great conversations going on here. I was originally against the "snipe" pulling technique, thinking along with the OP that a full group clearing the area, camping legitimately "nearer" the spawn, should have priority. I think I was siding this way due to the frustrations of the camp being consistently occupied by this style of group for the past few months (king groups have all but disappeared).

I believe I have seen the light from the above quote. I have changed teams for sure.

If an individual feels that taking a spawn from somebody else who is consistently clearing that one spawn is appropriate, JUST because the law book technically says they can, I feel bad for them because they are not a decent person.

If someone is spending their time killing a spawn every 30 minutes in a consistent and reliable manner, all common decency would suggest that you move on and find something else to do, not bring more friends than they have and be a horrible cunt by taking from them the one thing they are camping.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why the fuck do we always have to break the law book out? 3 people are constantly killing whatever they're after for hours on end, why should you feel like it's your right to move in and take shit from them just because you have 6 people and can sit closer? I seriously don't understand the sense of inherent entitlement people feel they have here.

Oh, hey folks, I see you guys have been consistently killing this mob and are using your knowledge of pull/game mechanics to your advantage, but if you don't mind would you kindly go fuck yourself because me and my 5 friends are going to brute force this trivial encounter. THAT will surely show everybody who is right.

Should the tube group sniping King/PH be able to prevent anyone else from camping jail/shrooms even though they are not touching any of those mobs?

[Korben]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should the tube group sniping King/PH be able to prevent anyone else from camping jail/shrooms even though they are not touching any of those mobs?

Not unless the intended outcome of killing the untouched mobs is to directly interfere with the King/PH group.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Should the tube group sniping King/PH be able to prevent anyone else from camping jail/shrooms even though they are not touching any of those mobs?

This.

The answer to this is, no they should not. If they aren't clearing it, they have no room to complain if you do that.

[texwilly]

Originally Posted by Korben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not unless the intended outcome of killing the untouched mobs is to directly interfere with the King/PH group.

There are worse places to XP in the game. I could honestly see someone clearing it once and zoning out while the tube group is AFK. Upon return, they will likely be very surprised to find a bunch of see-invis repops. Dick move for sure. But it will happen now that everyone knows the weakness to the strat. Continuously messing up the jail area would likely drive the "snipers" out after a few forced re-clears. Theoretically, they would not even be able to maintain a presence at the camp while the PH was up for 5-10 minutes of re-clearing see-invis mobs.

[Ella`Ella]

An actual King 'group' of 6 people would kill everything in the jail, brain room, and pull shrooms. What does it matter if 3 people claim the camp and don't feel like killing the other mobs they're entitled to? It's their right to choose which mobs they kill and which they don't for whatever reason. Just because they aren't touching them doesn't mean that someone else is should be entitled to them.

What are you actually upset about here? If a full group of 6 people claiming king were only killing the king, would that be a problem? What if they camped out in the zone out room and only killed those 3 mobs + king. Would you care if they were killing all the mobs, yet still pulled to the tube room? What if it were 5 people? 4? Where do you draw the line over what is an acceptable amount players that can enjoy the same content for whatever purpose and which mobs you require them kill?

[texwilly]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

An actual King 'group' of 6 people would kill everything in the jail, brain room, and pull shrooms. What does it matter if 3 people claim the camp and don't feel like killing the other mobs they're entitled to? It's their right to choose which mobs they kill and which they don't for whatever reason. Just because they aren't touching them doesn't mean that someone else is should be entitled to them.

What are you actually upset about here? If a full group of 6 people claiming king were only killing the king, would that be a problem? What if they camped out in the zone out room and only killed those 3 mobs + king. Would you care if they were killing all the mobs, yet still pulled to the tube room? What if it were 5 people? 4? Where do you draw the line over what is an acceptable amount players that can enjoy the same content for whatever purpose and which mobs you require them kill?

This is the logic that converted me. I completely agree. This is a "slippery slope"...