Real Question here

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're so dense. The common denominator is your pre conceived notions against us. TMO and IB are vastly different than what it was from the train war era and before.

Training is against the rules and you've been more or less separated from the rest of the server. The circumstances have changed. I find it doubtful the guild has changed much, even with the leadership change. All will show their true colors in FFA Velious.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's a vicious cycle. Words don't mean shit. Be the change. If class C is so much of a palatable group of people then how come they haven't lead the way for bettering the high end raid scene? Answer: because pixels.

Remember how TMO publicly offers the entire server the opportunity to do CT skin hand ins while BDA back doors their turn in for a select few?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember how TMO publicly offers the entire server the opportunity to do CT skin hand ins while BDA back doors their turn in for a select few?

Everyone but TMO and IB. Remember when TMO was charging 200K to piggyback on the turnin for months and no one bought in to that scam?

Remember when TMO was suspended and BDA opened up the raid content for everyone? Remember when BDA ran point on founding a rotation system that class R has persisted to this day? Remember when Chest personally moderated class R rotation policy?

Pepperidge farm remembers.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember when TMO was suspended and BDA opened up the raid content for everyone? Remember when BDA ran point on founding a rotation system that class R has persisted to this day? Remember when Chest personally moderated class R rotation policy?

Pepperidge farm remembers.

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[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Remember how TMO publicly offers the entire server the opportunity to do CT skin hand ins while BDA back doors their turn in for a select few?

Let me know when this happens again. Our VS staves are beginning to pile up.

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let me know when this happens again. Our VS staves are beginning to pile up.

Paying top dollar for one of those staves! We usually do a skin turn in when we have at least 2 staves of our own

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then prove it's all better now. Oh wait, Taken is actually competing JUST LIKE YOU WANTED and are being vilified non fucking stop on the forums and in game. Class R works together with zero incident over the past year, let's condemn that as well. Shit hasn't changed at all, the only change is the protection the class system affords the casual guilds from having to deal with your ilk unless they want to.

I'm glad Taken is competing, congrats on the last VS, and good luck on future FFA targets.

The main problems that I see are 1) raid windows that are only open on the weekends, 2) reduced variance that has resulted in people socking again, & 3) no guilds want to make the R to C jump (as originally intended). A system that gives Class R guilds a chance to dip their toe in the water and back off if it doesn't feel good might influence other guilds to try Class C out, but that will only work if the Class C setup gets a little less intense. The mob races are good, the FTE sockfest is bad. Adding variance back *might* just fix this problem, so we can get back to a system where a single tracker calls in the forces - or, we could go full retard and reduce the variance to less than 2 hours, so entire guilds can race for the FTE (I'm not serious, entire guilds racing for FTE would be hilarious, and would completely suck from a raid perspective).

Everything else seems to be working as intended. Class R guilds get a stress and drama free rotation, Class C guilds get to compete (tho, rule changes should be implemented to limit the FTE socking aspect), and a middle ground where Class R guilds get to compete with Class C guilds - without risking getting pushed into Class C only encounters.

However, it's clear that everyone has their own opinion, and I doubt anyone is going to let up on their stance. I guess our only hope is full FFA Velious.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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Sorry, you're edit isn't going to save you

Originally Posted by Unbrella

Remember when TMO was suspended and FE gave BDA several mobs - think I liaised with Skarry for that. Remember when Class C actually started the conversations about giving mobs to Class R (Albeit, the proposal was rejected, we weren't opposed to what the rest of the server wanted), Remember when Chest personally prevented 2 upcoming class R guilds from joining the rotation and griefed them off the server?

Going tit-for-tat on he-did/she-did gets us nowhere, mongo. If Class R and Class C can't show a little respect for each other, you're going to have a very hard time finding middle ground. And if you're the spokesman for an entire class of playstyle, you might be held to a slightly higher standard in changing your approach when you try working with Class-C.

FE didn't give BDA anything. Class C never started conversations about giving mobs of substance away. Your bullshit offers of non epic piece mobs was just as transparent as TMO's endangered species program. The 2 guilds that wanted to play Class C style in class R drummed themselves off the server, no one believes your rhetoric for a second.

Going tit for tat is fine by me because I actually follow through with what I believe in, having integrity affords me that. You splintered off from BDA to fight the good fight against TMO and eventually merged into them since it was the path of least resistance for precious pixels.

Class C has never offered middle ground on anything. You work for that bottomline only, dem pixels. You want to work for something better, I can appreciate that, but lip service is bullshit. I drove for change in class R along with many others, if you want change now then step the fuck up but sit here and lecture unless you actually plan on acting on these supposedly good intentions.

[khanable]

is it possible to have a thread where you two don't go all white girls on each other

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by khanable [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

is it possible to have a thread where you two don't go all white girls on each other

Is it possible for Unbrella to stop blatantly lying and trying to spin things in his benefit? If so I foresee a chance for less argumentative threads.