Does God / a supreme being exist?

[Malrubius]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You don't have to believe in any supreme being. What I find interesting is how often people who don't believe (atheists) feel the need to reduce people of faith to little more than child-like minds that believe in the Easter bunny or Santa Claus.

There are plenty of extremely intelligent human beings (by scientific measure) that have concluded that there most be some supreme being/creator. To dismiss them is to conveniently ignore that that overwhelming majority of the human race also believes in some type of faith system.

You don't have to believe in anything. But, to dismiss the majority of the human race and some of its most intelligent and gifted members in a single sentence or two is the real act of ignorance.

I don't want to publicly discuss this anymore, because I do not want to reduce my faith in Christ to a side-show designed by a troll on the rants and flames boards. If anyone, however, has a real question of faith or curiosity about what it is all about PM me and I will get back to you.

Damn - you just won the thread! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Villide]

Originally Posted by Dragonthorne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A couple of things...

You talk about beliefs and proof that something exists, yet you sit here from a computer and "talk" to people you have never seen, touched, etc. Just an observation...

Also, when the end of days come, and we all are confirmed this answer, would you not rather believe in God and chance that He might not be real, or don't believe in God and chance that He is real.

If my believing in God is a farce and there is no greater being, visceral or not, then I would have still lived a good life.

If, however, I live my life believing there is no God, and my end comes only for me to find out that there is, well...welcome to hell?

I don't understand people's need and desire to disprove something to everyone just for the kicks of it. This thread is not a rant, flame, etc...

I think this is a bit laughable. Would I rather believe in God and chance he might be real? Sure, if it were that easy. But how do you force yourself to believe in something? Won't God know I'm just saying the right things in order to get something I want at the end?

How about this - if I die and I arrive at the pearly gates and God is waiting for me, I'll salute him and profess my belief in his existence at that time.

If I live a good life, treat my fellow human beings with respect and can't get into heaven because I didn't spend my whole life kissing the ass of God...well fuck him AND his exclusive country club. The fact that some dirtbag can have a deathbed confession and get into heaven while someone else can live a clean life and end up in hell...well, I have a tough time believing that a benevolent God would allow such a thing.

Ultimately, I do think people that argue over which religion is the "right" religion might as well be arguing over whether Scooby Doo or Spiderman is the "real" God. Organized religion is a ridiculous brainwashing of the masses that's been going on for way too long - it amazes me that people still fall for this nonsense.

[Villide]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are plenty of extremely intelligent human beings (by scientific measure) that have concluded that there most be some supreme being/creator. To dismiss them is to conveniently ignore that that overwhelming majority of the human race also believes in some type of faith system.

You don't have to believe in anything. But, to dismiss the majority of the human race and some of its most intelligent and gifted members in a single sentence or two is the real act of ignorance.

I'd hazard that many of these "intelligent" and "gifted" members of the world were brainwashed with religion in the early stages of their lives. The fact that a majority of the world's peoples believe in one particular religion or another is proof of how firmly entrenched that brainwashing can be at an early age.

I have no problem with people that believe in religion - my wife is pretty religious, and I attend church with her occasionally. She's a very intelligent woman - but she went to church every Sunday growing up. There is no argument from a scientific perspective that will convince her that she's wasting her time. She has the trump card of "faith" on her side. And that's fine. Ultimately, her faith will benefit her, one way or the other.

If you die believing there's a heaven and you get in...fantastic. If not, and you're just worm food? You won't know any better, right?

[Japan]

By responding to those fallacious arguments you weaken your (my) position. Think harder.

[Maurk]

the universe is god
a huge collection of energy
and when we die we come part of the universe

we are all god
O_O

[Maurk]

my sentence structures suck for some reason today

[Japan]

O_O

[Omnimorph]

Originally Posted by Fourthmeal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The REAL question is, why should we give a fuck?

We're just trying to think outside the bun man...

[Bojangles]

Originally Posted by Noselacri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stories are not evidence. I could point you towards thousands of people who claim they've beed abducted by UFOs, but that's not evidence either; and, as with UFOs, witnessing divine manifestation is something that has been lied about (or mistakenly perceived) so frequently that the evidence would have to be absolutely undisputable. Photos of Jesus toast don't count.

Are you retarded? Of course stories are evidence. In a court of law they are called "eye witness accounts." Again, the amount of credence these stories should be given can be debated, but it is not debatable that it is indeed evidence. You simply refuse to believe the evidence is truthful; it doesn't change the fact that these accounts fit the definition of evidence.

There are a lot of credible reports of the existence of aliens. The problem is that once closed-minded people like yourself make up their mind what the answer is, they discard all evidence to the contrary. If you assume aliens do not exist, whenever you are confronted with evidence of aliens you will automatically assume the evidence is fake. In this situation there is no amount of evidence that could change your mind, since you would dismiss it all out of hand.

http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2010/09/27...el-say/?hpt=T2

http://abcnews.go.com/International/...china-11813189

http://www.mufon.com/

Note how the only opposition to this is from a snob who seems peeved that this guy didn't send him the data.
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/...est=latestnews

I know its wikipedia, but if you don't trust it then look up their source documents. Pay especial attention to the real people with credible jobs who have been officially admitted to having been present.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roswell...ccounts_emerge

Originally Posted by Noselacri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Virtually every defining aspect of Christianity is appropriated wholesale from other religions that far predate it. This is the main reason why I find it difficult to believe.

This shows your bias. A set of beliefs is passed along through time and you assume that somehow this invalidates its claims to being a universal truth. I'm sure that when you rip on Scientology you point to how it was created out of whole cloth only a few decades ago as proof that it should not be believed.

Similar to how you discount all alien evidence because you have already made up your small, closed mind about what you want to believe, you choose to believe or to discount evidence based upon whether it supports your pre-existing opinions, not whether your arguments make sense or contradict themselves.

Originally Posted by Villide [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'd hazard that many of these "intelligent" and "gifted" members of the world were brainwashed with religion in the early stages of their lives. The fact that a majority of the world's peoples believe in one particular religion or another is proof of how firmly entrenched that brainwashing can be at an early age.

Such small-minded self-righteousness. What proof do you have that it is the religious that have been brain-washed and not yourself? You'd rather believe that a vast majority of all humans who have ever lived are wrong rather than to face the truth: either they are right, or you are just as brainwashed as they are because you choose to believe in something whole-heartedly that cannot be 100% proven or disproven. There is no 'win' situation for an atheist, unlike the religious or the agnostic.

[ryuut1]

Originally Posted by Fourthmeal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

True enlightenment can only be reached through worshiping the Lords Spicy, Crunchy, Melty, and Grilled at your local Taco Bell pals. Spicy likes it when you get Volcano Tacos, and Crunchy is cool with that too, but Melty and Grilled prefer the likes of Crunchwrap Supremes and Grilled Stuffed Burritos.

as you know, fourth, i am the supreme priest of spicy. (just finished off some volcano nachos too)

VOLCANO SAUCE FOREVER!