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Old 08-16-2014, 11:05 AM
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kagafob and bard guy take opposite sides on divisive issue, somehow both completely wrong
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:17 AM
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its genetic. they have enlarged adrenal glands and they get tripped up very quickly. it probably has a lot to do with africa and the culture there. i recently watched a montage of white comedians getting their asses kicked by black people who didnt get or didnt like the joke/prank. is what it is. /pinkoutonteacup
Lol, 18th century conception of race here.

There are no biological distinctions between the races, just changes in phenotype. I suspect you'll have to look up that word.
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Old 08-16-2014, 11:24 AM
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its genetic. they have enlarged adrenal glands and they get tripped up very quickly. it probably has a lot to do with africa and the culture there. i recently watched a montage of white comedians getting their asses kicked by black people who didnt get or didnt like the joke/prank. is what it is. /pinkoutonteacup
They have 2 extra muscles too. That's why they can't swim.
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:26 PM
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blatant lies
lol their own freakin family lawyer says it's him in the video. wtf dude?

"They again called the release of the video an effort to damage Brown's reputation. But Daryl P. Parks, one of the lawyers, said of the man in the store video, "It appears to be him.""

See this is why I sat back and waited some time before really drawing a conclusion. I don't want to loot and get a free TV anyway. Whenever this stuff happens, I always wind up seeing political motivations by the leftists and money trails eventually. Nation is more divided than ever, well at least since the civil war. Obama ran on being a uniter, but is really the great divider. Hear his appeal yesterday? About as bland as a vacuum sealed ready eat meal. They want this shit to go down, all about power and money.
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Old 08-16-2014, 12:54 PM
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There are no biological distinctions between the races, just changes in phenotype. I suspect you'll have to look up that word.
Are you suggesting that skin tone is not somehow derived from genetics? You do realize it is the genotype + environment that produces the phenotype, right? And you surely know that if you raise a bunch of northern European babies and African babies in the same environment, the African babies will still have darker skin? So there is most certainly a genetic difference between races. Of course, race is not the ideal way to draw genetic boundaries between groups of people, since skin tone developed in reaction to the sun, which is only one environmental selection pressure among many. You find brown people all over the place that have very different genetic lineages.

The study that you are no doubt referencing when you say there is no biological distinction between the races has a nuance to it that few of the people who reference it understand. Most people just want a nice sounding bit of science to support their preconceived notions and so they don't bother digging deeper and understanding the full picture. The study showed that individual variation is greater than racial variation. So the few mutations per million base pairs each generation and the variation you get due to crossover (sexual reproduction) outweighs any variation due to race, but that doesn't mean there is absolutely no differences among races based on DNA. And when you look deeper than race and look at genetic groups (i.e. east African rather than just black), you see even more similarities between members of that group, possibly even outweighing the natural individual variation.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:05 PM
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''If you ask what percentage of your genes is reflected in your external appearance, the basis by which we talk about race, the answer seems to be in the range of .01 percent,'' said Dr. Harold P. Freeman, the chief executive, president and director of surgery at North General Hospital in Manhattan, who has studied the issue of biology and race. ''This is a very, very minimal reflection of your genetic makeup.''

Unfortunately for social harmony, the human brain is exquisitely attuned to differences in packaging details, prompting people to exaggerate the significance of what has come to be called race, said Dr. Douglas C. Wallace, a professor of molecular genetics at Emory University School of Medicine in Atlanta.

''The criteria that people use for race are based entirely on external features that we are programmed to recognize,'' he said. ''And the reason we're programmed to recognize them is that it's vitally important to our species that each of us be able to distinguish one individual from the next. Our whole social structure is based on visual cues, and we've been programmed to recognize them, and to recognize individuals.''

By contrast with the tiny number of genes that make some people dark-skinned and doe-eyed, and others as pale as napkins, scientists say that traits like intelligence, artistic talent and social skills are likely to be shaped by thousands, if not tens of thousands, of the 80,000 or so genes in the human genome, all working in complex combinatorial fashion.

The possibility of such gene networks shifting their interrelationships wholesale in the course of humanity's brief foray across the globe, and being skewed in significant ways according to ''race'' is ''a bogus idea,'' said Dr. Aravinda Chakravarti, a geneticist at Case Western University in Cleveland. ''The differences that we see in skin color do not translate into widespread biological differences that are unique to groups.''

Dr. Jurgen K. Naggert, a geneticist at the Jackson Laboratory in Bar Harbor, Me., said: ''These big groups that we characterize as races are too heterogeneous to lump together in a scientific way. If you're doing a DNA study to look for markers for a particular disease, you can't use 'Caucasians' as a group. They're too diverse. No journal would accept it.''
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:13 PM
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Individual variation being more significant doesn't necessarily mean that .01% genetic variation has zero signifigance. That being said, individual variation is the difference between difference between Gandhi and Stalin. Between Hitler and Einstein. Between Jack the Ripper and MLK Jr.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:19 PM
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Individual variation being more significant doesn't necessarily mean that .01% genetic variation has zero signifigance. That being said, individual variation is the difference between difference between Gandhi and Stalin. Between Hitler and Einstein. Between Jack the Ripper and MLK Jr.
I guess it just means that when people try to group all people of one skin color together, or demand that races are genetically different that they're only 0.1% right. I'd rather be 99.99% right.
Also. Are you saying that Hitler, Stalin, and Jack the Ripper were all genetically predisposed to do what they did? As if they didn't have a choice?
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:26 PM
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So there is most certainly a genetic difference between races.
Sure, but it's not even "races". Technically there is still only one race, the human race. All humans are of the same kind, most likely starting from a base pair. Take the canine for example, they are all canines, we don't dispute that and call them different races. They are different breeds starting from the original base pair, which were wolves. Through selective breeding, there is a loss of genetic information, and you get your different breeds.

Same with humans, you have a base pair, very likely a mid toned skinned pair as they have the genetic information containing the features of both light skinned people and dark skinned people. As this genetic information is stripped away through breeding, you have dark skinned breeds and light skinned breeds, purely from a loss of genetic information. Not even environment playing any part of it, it's all retention or loss of genetic information. When people play the race card, they are playing the stupid card, humans are all one race.
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Old 08-16-2014, 01:33 PM
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I guess it just means that when people try to group all people of one skin color together, or demand that races are genetically different that they're only 0.1% right. I'd rather be 99.99% right.
Genetics isn't about "right and wrong" I don't understand this point in your post. Are you implying that bananas are only 30% wrong? What does that even mean?

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Also. Are you saying that Hitler, Stalin, and Jack the Ripper were all genetically predisposed to do what they did? As if they didn't have a choice?
Compare Hitler to Napoleon. Napoleon wasn't the nicest guy in the world, but he wasn't a genocidal maniac even though his rise to power and march across Europe was nearly identical to that of Hitler.

Compare Jack the Ripper to any modern day serial killer. More and more evidence is pointing towards genetic predisposition in virtually every case when you study sociopaths.
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