HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's just my issue with this: there's compounding evidence in my favor that I owned both of those accounts ever since their creation. 98% of the IP logs associated with them come from the state I currently, and have lived in, for a very long time (again.. aside from 6 months in which I lived out of state). A very menial amount of effort would need to be put in to geolocate the IPs. Or, hell, just match the ones that accessed my accounts with the ones that have logged into my forum accounts (since, ya know, my forum account names are the character names in question anyways).

I'd say that Deru admitting to assisting me with an issue with this same cleric account in the past combined with Pan admitting that he SMS password recovered both of those accounts to gain access makes it pretty darn clear whom they belonged to.

But, that's not even the issue here. What it comes down to is a rather absurd history of inequity when it comes to GM rulings and player assistance. Despite the fact that Rogean himself stated that "the original owner of an eqemu account will always be considered the owner of said account" when he banned account sales, the GM's here have chosen to blatantly ignore that fact as it pertains to this situation. Hell, I not once even asked for eqemu access to the account I sold as I'm morally above taking what doesn't belong to me. I only asked for a little helping hand to secure my two login server accounts as I saw what was coming as a result of the absurd change to account management.

You just don't get it. You sold your eqemu account and everything attached to it. The staff has said since day one giving out your info or selling your account was all on you. There is no obligation for the staff to even help you. So stop trying to blame the staff for your mistake. You made your choice to sell accounts, live with the fact it was your choice.
Asking the staff to right your wrong will open a Pandora box of people crying about accounts they sold, gave away etc. If they help you for being a retard, they must help others just the same.

This guy threw you a bone about working it out even after the moment you sold your account you gave up all rights to it. Stop copy pasting messages from when the server opened saying original owner of the account will be considered the owner. Shit has changed so much over the years that you can pull over 100 different posts from all staff that contradict everything due to all the changes.

[chief]

so this guy sells the eq emu but continues to play a character on a diff account under the same eq emu? lawl

[Erati]

Originally Posted by chief [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

so this guy sells the eq emu but continues to play a character on a diff account under the same eq emu? lawl

many people did this


the login servers were pretty much protected regardless what the new EMU owner did with the EMU information

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

master troll or most oblivious asshole on P99

Sorry - who are you and what are you getting at?

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You just don't get it. You sold your eqemu account and everything attached to it. The staff has said since day one giving out your info or selling your account was all on you. There is no obligation for the staff to even help you.

Really? When was the precedent set that selling an eqemu account when it was legal meant you sold everything attached to it? On the contrary, it only included what you wanted it to include under the way account management worked.

Originally Posted by Rais [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stop copy pasting messages from when the server opened saying original owner of the account will be considered the owner. Shit has changed so much over the years that you can pull over 100 different posts from all staff that contradict everything due to all the changes.

Yeah... that quote is from last year actually. And from the owner of this project. You know, the person whose word should be final in matters such as these.

[khanable]

in4fungi

[Pan]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I have no interest in playing here now. QQ for me, I know I know.

On a related note, I'll be giving away what I have left for items on P99 in the coming days, which if you kept up with this thread you'd know equates to about 200kpp in items - including a fungi tunic.

I'd rather someone deserving receives a little helping hand than to have to pay someone like Cloki to be able to play my own character again.

Now you're just being entirely disingenuous.

I asked the staff several times to split off the bard and cleric to a different emu under terms that YOU proposed. And on other terms, too - that would have given ownership of both as they were. See here.

When they chose not to intervene, I re-offered an identical (sans name) replacement cleric (which is what you asked me for but will not now accept - see first link in this post) and access to the bard as a kludged solution.

You've brought nothing substantive to the table apart from re-acquiring the emu (which I am unwilling to give up because you sold it and I bought it eventually).

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I have no interest in playing here now. QQ for me, I know I know.

On a related note, I'll be giving away what I have left for items on P99 in the coming days, which if you kept up with this thread you'd know equates to about 200kpp in items - including a fungi tunic.

I'd rather someone deserving receives a little helping hand than to have to pay someone like Cloki to be able to play my own character again.

Nah, I don't want any. I'll stick to what I said, means more to me. But thx for the bribe, hope things work out for you better in my little pony online or wherever you're going [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Man0warr]

Cloki, just because you can do something horrible and steal two accounts that you didn't purchase, doesn't mean that you should. You should thank him for you being able to use those accounts when you never should have been able to and give him back what is rightfully his and was never yours to begin with. It shouldn't matter that you upgraded the gear or leveled the toons. They weren't yours to do that to in the first place. You acquired the information in a shady manner. Do the right thing, let him have his characters back.

But he did offer to give them back (or in the cleric's case, PL a new cleric with epic and matching gear).

Not saying it wasn't shady to reset the passwords when the choice was made available but at least he is trying to make it right.

This is why GMs said account sales weren't supported and eventually got banned folks - no one wants to deal with this shit.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Really? When was the precedent set that selling an eqemu account when it was legal meant you sold everything attached to it? On the contrary, it only included what you wanted it to include under the way account management worked.

Exactly. But this is the sticking point for me. It isn't just about this particular incident between you and Pan:

How can anyone prove what was wanted between two parties when the transaction took place? This is essentially the terms of a contract.

If you engage in RL business deals without a written clear contract you are likely to be out of luck if you ever need to have a court enforce it.

You would have to prove at each transaction (it seems the account information may have been sold several times before reaching Pan) what was and what was not specifically agreed on. Can you do this? Can anyone do this? Most people I know who sold accounts didn't really think ahead and make great records while doing it.

I guess its possible if you have very good records and the GM staff has time to invest in verifying it...but for what? if I were you, and I really just wanted to play EQ, I would take the 49 cleric PL and then work with the GMs on getting a name swap done. Its not like there are thousands of dollars at stake on the table here...you are getting everything you wanted except the name, and you can prob get that down the line if you don't act rudely towards the GMs.

[Rais]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sorry - who are you and what are you getting at?



Really? When was the precedent set that selling an eqemu account when it was legal meant you sold everything attached to it? On the contrary, it only included what you wanted it to include under the way account management worked.



Yeah... that quote is from last year actually. And from the owner of this project. You know, the person whose word should be final in matters such as these.

I can play the quote game also.
Here is a good one
A post about splitting toons off accounts. So a post he made in the past should always apply even if changes have had happened? If so let's use your logic and start splitting toons off accounts.
http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...ount#post11218

Rogean:
Put a petition in, give char names, account names, and when you'll be online so a GM can contact you to verify authenticity of the transfer.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly how could you purchase an account and not secure the eqemulator forum associated with it?

Their fault for stupidity.

Sounds like the reverse happened and still applies.