Class "R" rotation and Sky about to fall apart

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To seriously and intelligently reply to Sirken's question I say: because there is a class feud that this server has fostered for many years. Whenever I finally do stop playing this game and I look back I will likely not remember FE, IB, Divinity, Taken ect. I will remember TMO, just as I remember Fires of Heaven from live. They are a very large, very public entity and they have grown bored with this games content so they turn to their other favorite thing to do, feud with the casual scum.

TMO as a whole clearly stated they do not endorse their members joining with Class R guilds for any reason. They did not state that they "punish it" but they did make it clear they want to make it as undesirable as possible. (Unbrella can reiterate the finer details, I'm sure). But their members individually have been branching off to join with smaller guilds under the "good Samaritan" guise of "no loot please, just helping out."

What do they gain? They add very small guilds to the rotation and essentially create a TRUE welfare program for guilds that are nowhere near raid ready. The rotation is more than happy to accept any guild that is really raid ready and we are seeing that happen with Harmony, Omni and a few others. But the more guilds that join the rotation the more unattractive class R appears.

They want to think Class R out as much as possible so that it forces hungrier guilds into class C. I personally think that the reason GMs like you don't care about this is because it has been stated by you and Deru that you want to see larger guilds in Class R progress. Deru once stated that Class R is called this because he wants us to understand we are restricted and that class C is more profitable, therefore more attractive.

Well, truthfuly, it could be a massive hoard of free loot, but class R players don't care about the loot. We care about the play style. Ask me to trade my job/girlfriend/way of life for a crown of Rile and I will deny you every time.


TL;DR synopsis: Because it makes Class R more difficult and they seek that for either the feud factor or to push more guilds into Class C (aka new blood).

thank you Nemce. thats essentially what i was looking for.

but i would be curious to know if anyone from Class R disagrees with the logic behind Nemce's post here, or if everyone pretty much shares that opinion.

[Bazia]

think he covered it pretty clearly, they want to be able to decide who is "raid ready" and when and if they should be allowed to join the rotation so they can deny guilds they deem "not worthy"

Other guilds helping newer guilds gives these guys less power to deny them, therefore they cant keep less guilds in the rotation and get less loot themselves

[Torino]

I think more class C guilds would "vent some steam" so to speak on class R, but dealing with TMO across raid class is already hard enough, let alone being on the "same" field as they are.

Not that there are not class R guilds that could do it.
But racing TMO/IB to raid targets is a losing battle. They have years of expierience doing it.
Someone is bound to try it..but they have to have a strong core of non casual raiders in order to compete.

I wish I was that hardcore.

~Torino
54 Druid BDA

[Torino]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

think he covered it pretty clearly, they want to be able to decide who is "raid ready" and when and if they should be allowed to join the rotation so they can deny guilds they deem "not worthy"

Other guilds helping newer guilds gives these guys less power to deny them, therefore they cant keep less guilds in the rotation and get less loot themselves

and by "they" he means all the other class R guilds.

There is no one person making all the desicions for class R.

And its plain and simple....
No one is TELLING you that you have to be in our rotation.
If you want to take your crew of 20 guys into PoF and die over and over, kudo's to you.
But what good is that doing..for anyone?

Then you have to call for help to whoever will spoon feed you the content that you are not ready for.
This is not WOW, its harder. All you kids want is easy... if you cant take it...join a guild that can.

[Artaenc]

Originally Posted by Torino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think more class C guilds would "vent some steam" so to speak on class R, but dealing with TMO across raid class is already hard enough, let alone being on the "same" field as they are.

Not that there are not class R guilds that could do it.
But racing TMO/IB to raid targets is a losing battle. They have years of expierience doing it.
Someone is bound to try it..but they have to have a strong core of non casual raiders in order to compete.

I wish I was that hardcore.

~Torino
54 Druid BDA

Challenge accepted. Just give us time and if you want to join this crusade toss in an app at http://www.asgardguild.net [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Bazia]

Originally Posted by Torino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one is TELLING you that you have to be in our rotation.

exactly if people cant get in to the rotation then they should be able to compete for the mobs and if any other guilds decide they want to help them do that its their call to make

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Torino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not WOW, its harder. All you kids want is easy... if you cant take it...join a guild that can.

This is literally hilarious coming from a member of a class R guild omfg

The way I look at class R rotation is that it is just another form of instancing, something that utterly destroyed the MMORpg genre.

Anyway, your rotation is bound to fail the second you try to exclude guilds interested in joining.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hes not saying he wants more of the class C targets, hes saying that new and upcoming guilds want targets and that the majority of the targets are in C and FFA since less guilds are vying for those spawns. if tmo is truly worried about these up and coming guilds, im sure those guilds would love to joint raid some FFA targets with tmo for loot and raiding experience.

Except that is not what he said. At all. I will bold the part where he made very invalid points

Originally Posted by Metallikus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think if TMO wants to help up and coming players progress, they should offer up a piece of the pie they are entitled to instead of trying to offer up a piece of the pie that they are not entitled to.

TMO / IB share 1/3 of the mobs exclusively and then they compete for 1/3 of the mobs in the C/R/FFA system. That is 2/3s of the servers mobs.

Everyone else on the server shares 1/3 of the mobs in an equal opportunity rotation system.

TMO, please put up or shut up. Offer up a portion of your giant portion of the mobs to the up and comers. Stay out of class R business.

He basically is saying TMO has control of 2/3rd of the mobs on the server and that Class R guilds are restricted to 1/3rd which is not the case. Class R to remain Class R has to leave Class C spawns alone and Class C has to leave Class R mobs alone. However NO guild is locked out of attempting Class C or FFA targets if they choose to do so.

The only restrictions put on guilds currently are by those at the top of the Class R rotation (Which isn't mandatory btw). However if someone tries to take it on themselves to go after those targets (Lord Bob) the vocal minority of Class R comes to RNF crying about it and painting those people in a bad light. Guilds like BDA and Taken who have shown in the past they can compete when they put forth the effort choose to remain Class R and this in turn restricts access to mobs that smaller guilds could see more of if they simply progressed as guilds and got out of their way.

The reason they don't move to Class C btw is because they know they will still only get about the same amount they are getting now and would have to put in more effort to do so. So they kick back and make inane rules about their rotation and then condemn those smaller guilds that try to strike out against that rotation. Anthrax wanted truth. That is the truth.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Torino [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is not WOW, its harder. All you kids want is easy... if you cant take it...join a guild that can.

This is literally hilarious coming from a member of a class R guild omfg

The way I look at class R rotation is that it is just another form of instancing, something that utterly destroyed the MMORpg genre.

Anyway, your rotation is bound to fail the second you try to exclude guilds interested in joining.

[Susano]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

class R players don't care about the loot. We care about the play style.

Clearly class R mobs shouldn't drop loot then, you guys can experience the thrill of the kill and not have to worry about all the muss and fuss of deciding who gets what.

Considering none of the R guilds want to enter the C arena, there's really no need to better yourselves anyhow.