Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Our time.

Also, you were teamed up with ~18 Genocidal Tendencies players, that's a raid.

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Have everyone at the raid send me a message I will donate 10 minutes to each of them in game. Just tell them to have what they need done in those 10 minutes planned ahead of time I would hate to waste their 10 minutes on planning.

[JayN]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Our time.

Also, you were teamed up with ~18 Genocidal Tendencies players, that's a raid.

Their very first fear raid, which tmo was holding their hands showing them the ropes (happily). Then you entitled shit heads zoned in and told everyone to fuck off its now BDAs zone!

You guys really are some low life pieces of shit, I thought IB was really shitty but you guys really are the scum of the server, Thanks for turning their first Fear Raid into a complete Shit SHOW.

And btw thats not how you AoE fear you Dbags you did it wrong, shoulda been all mobs besides mini and bosses one pull. Obviously you guys were there to solely start drama/troll and you have no one to blame for this but CHEST

[cams]

IB KSs a Fayd involving confusion with unguilded tracker and KSs a draco but leaves loot for TMO = 2 week suspension.

Azure Guard helps another guild with Trak due to confusion with schedule = 1 week suspension.

Jephtah trains Taken, Yibz trains Taken, and Dinacarl trains BDA, and TMO is basically allowed to determine their own punishment.

[cams]

Yibz trains BDA*

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by cams [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

IB KSs a Fayd involving confusion with unguilded tracker and KSs a draco but leaves loot for TMO = 2 week suspension.

Azure Guard helps another guild with Trak due to confusion with schedule = 1 week suspension.

Jephtah trains Taken, Yibz trains Taken, and Dinacarl trains BDA, and TMO is basically allowed to determine their own punishment.

Want to know the differences in those scenarios ?

IB officers refused to work with officers of TMO in coming to a resolution.

AG is in Class R where they are subject to lockouts. It is a bad situation but those lockouts are in the game. Moving up to Class C removes you from these lockouts and I recommend it.

Jephtah trained trackers and we admitted fault and talked to Taken about a resolution and came to one. BDA got the VS we backed off of and didn't contest because of what happened in the confusion after and agreed that was a good resolution in regards to Yibz having aggro on him (I still don't believe that was his train I believe it was aggro dropped on him) and dying near their raid.

All of the situations above involved raid mobs in window or spawned. There was a possible loss of something in regards to the parties involved. In the situations where they got resolved without GMs and where lockouts were involved there was guilds communicating and finding a resolution. We are still looking for that from BDA in regards of the recent events in fear but Chest doesn't want to find a reasonable solution and seems determined to whine to GMs in hopes that they will side with his unreasonable requests.

[Socratic]

Hah, we step aside resulting in your guild getting a free shot at vs, wiping, then rezzing up for 15+ mins and finally killing him and you're still trying to use that? I mean, please, if that's weaseling then by all means, please weasel for us. I'll take a free VS.

I see now that you're just another nutjob rnf kiddo, so moving on.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Socratic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Hah, we step aside resulting in your guild getting a free shot at vs, wiping, then rezzing up for 15+ mins and finally killing him and you're still trying to use that? I mean, please, if that's weaseling then by all means, please weasel for us. I'll take a free VS.

I see now that you're just another nutjob rnf kiddo, so moving on.

TMO was still massing on our first attempt with no DPS, no one had any idea you guys had "backed off" until Mez came into our vent later.

[cams]

Originally Posted by Lazie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

All of the situations above involved raid mobs in window or spawned. There was a possible loss of something in regards to the parties involved.

What was lost from Draco? IB left the loot for TMO after realizing their mistake. At most a 1 week suspension for Fayd should have been doled out. IB leaving loot from draco is almost exactly the same as TMO leaving VS for other guilds.

What was lost from AG at Trak? Basically everyone in class R felt they shouldn't have had a suspension. Yet rules are rules and they ate a week.

Seems like TMO is the only guild who gets consideration in these sort of matters.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO was still massing on our first attempt with no DPS, no one had any idea you guys had "backed off" until Mez came into our vent later.

Serious? We engage VS instantly if there's a cleric and a warrior. Anyone can tell you that. If we didn't do that, then we backed off. If there was no dps there, then our raid leader told them not to run down to VS yet.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by cams [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What was lost from Draco? IB left the loot for TMO after realizing their mistake. At most a 1 week suspension for Fayd should have been doled out. IB leaving loot from draco is almost exactly the same as TMO leaving VS for other guilds.

What was lost from AG at Trak? Basically everyone in class R felt they shouldn't have had a suspension. Yet rules are rules and they ate a week.

Seems like TMO is the only guild who gets consideration in these sort of matters.

They left after looting the draco corpse and seeing no BCG was on it. So of course they were happy to leave the corpse to rot after. Better bet if it had a BCG on it it would have gotten looted. Again Class R has lockouts. The players can't mandate those. Being Class R means you are subject to them for better or worse. TMO gets the same consideration as any other guild. The difference is when we mess up we admit it right away and back off the spawns.