Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So your argument is that if you can't reach a compromise that you find satisfactory with another guild you can train them?

/boggle

Nope. Never said that either. It seems like we have a case of poor reading comprehension running rampant in this thread.

I honestly can't speak for Dinacarl. I have no clue what his intentions were in that situation. I know we were planning to AE the rest once BDA zoned in and AE'ed most of the mobs left up down. I know the monks were told to gather the mobs to do so and we were talking about the best way to do it with the players we had with us.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Ravager [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even when it's raid interference?

I would, if Trakanon was up and probably only if we lost the kill because of it. That's a very different situation though.

[Locust]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I got trained in Seb by a BDA person, I wouldn't send the fraps to my officers expecting BDA to get a raid suspension.

but... BUT!, WHAT IF you were RAIDING in seb? and you got trained by a BDA person, what then? keyword: raiding (when you have multiple groups of your guild in a raid zone working together to kill stuff)

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would, if Trakanon was up and probably only if we lost the kill because of it. That's a very different situation though.

So raiding in a raid zone doesn't count as a raid.

[cams]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If I got trained in Seb by a BDA person, I wouldn't send the fraps to my officers expecting BDA to get a raid suspension.

The problem with this logic is that Seb is not inherently a "raid zone". As evidence of this claim, when a guild is on raid suspension they cannot raid Hate/Fear, but they can do whatever they want in Seb (minus killing Trak). Hate/Fear have been given a special designation as raid zones, and as such, disputes resulting from actions in those zones are inherently raid disputes.

That said, I can agree with the ridiculousness of getting suspended for a hate/fear raid... but I also think it is ridiculous you can't raid hate/fear or ragefire while on raid suspension. Ridiculous or not, that is the way it is.

[Antarctica]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has the staff ever considered that people think they can get away with shit? And aren't heavy handed enough in their dealings with scum?

I think they have considered it in the past and have come down harshly in the past, much to their credit. They just need to do so again, with everyone, in as objective fashion possible--regardless of past dealings with "special people."

[Fuddwin]

Poor Chest (Variety)

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by cams [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem with this logic is that Seb is not inherently a "raid zone". As evidence of this claim, when a guild is on raid suspension they cannot raid Hate/Fear, but they can do whatever they want in Seb (minus killing Trak). Hate/Fear have been given a special designation as raid zones, and as such, disputes resulting from actions in those zones are inherently raid disputes.

That said, I can agree with the ridiculousness of getting suspended for a hate/fear raid... but I also think it is ridiculous you can't raid hate/fear or ragefire while on raid suspension. Ridiculous or not, that is the way it is.

You can 2 man clear Fear trash. I mean I get you guys don't get to raid much but calling an AE group a raid is stretching it a bit.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Locust [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but... BUT!, WHAT IF you were RAIDING in seb? and you got trained by a BDA person, what then? keyword: raiding (when you have multiple groups of your guild in a raid zone working together to kill stuff)

Raiding, for our purposes. Includes anything here http://www.project1999.com/raid.php and VP. Planar clears are allowed during raid suspensions.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Raiding, for our purposes. Includes anything here http://www.project1999.com/raid.php and VP. Planar clears are allowed during raid suspensions.

Winner Winner.