Petition to Rogean: Rename 'Raid Discussion' to 'Officer Rants and Flames''

[Man0warr]

Also, TMO never had more than 5 people in zone the entire time we were there.

Unbrella's stated goal the whole time was to "kill Shivers/Fetids", straight from his mouth. You guys weren't planning to do an AE clear, so stop your lying Lazie.

It's obvious the last week or so that you are a TMO leadership dick sucker who will do anything to look good in their eyes.

[JayN]

actually you cant have an exp grp in chardok while an aoe grp is going, your grp will die and most likely the aoe grp

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by JayN [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

actually you cant have an exp grp in chardok while an aoe grp is going, your grp will die and most likely the aoe grp

Sure you can, you just can't petition that you died because of a train from the AE'ers. Gone in many times and camped Betrayer while AoE was going on.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't matter if you did or not anyways. People are allowed to raid where they want, when they want. This includes 1-10 guilds in fear/hate/sky(player made agreement has prevented this). It can also include two guilds AOEing in fear. As long as you don't train people, and take other peoples pulls there isn't a disruption. In extreme cases 2 perople pling by aoeing unrest/bb or bards in dreadlands swam kiting is what that rule was about 20 mobs in a zone with 200+ isn't monopolizing on either side.

The best part is you just undermined your own co-leaders grasp at straws at some idea bda was breaking the rules. Claiming aoeing fear is a disruption when you claim you intended to do the same thing? wtf





This is why chardok aoe groups are allowed. People can still exp in chardok with the same difficult type mobs in the zone.

Please let Xasten or Tiggles post for you for now on. This is in agreement with TrollTeam TMO.

You actually don't know the server rules that you were a GM of ? Interesting.

2. You must comply with arbitration for contested spawns.

There are cases where two or more groups wish to kill the same NPC or hunt in the same area. In these cases, the groups are required to compromise.

If an equitable compromise cannot be reached between the players prior to Project 1999 Customer Service Staff involvement, the P99CSR will mandate a compromise. Any such compromise is final and not open to debate. Refusing to abide by these terms will be considered disruption and may result in disciplinary action.

It is therefore strongly suggested that the groups make every attempt to reach a compromise that they can live with prior to involving a P99CSR, who may mandate a compromise that does not suit you to the extent that a player-devised compromise would.

Note: A "group" in this case is defined as a party of one or more characters that are united in a common belief or goal and are capable of completing that goal.


Now this is a recent update via Derubael so you may not know about it.

[Lazie]

You should probably stop trying to be a backseat GM as you are no longer on the staff or at least try to read the PNP now.

[Lazie]

AoE is allowed in chardok and other zones when other people are not there to contest it by the way. If another group shows up the original people in the zone must compromise with them and let them have a camp.

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Ambrotos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Please let Xasten or Tiggles post for you for now on. This is in agreement with TrollTeam TMO.

I can sympathize with Chestie

I'd be upset as well if losing a fear clear an 80% of the content my guild cleared that month.

It's too bad his petition will fall on deaf ears since the new Swtor Xpac is coming out next month.

[Ambrotos]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sure you can, you just can't petition that you died because of a train from the AE'ers. Gone in many times and camped Betrayer while AoE was going on.

I would disagree. If you know a group moved there, you can't pull all your mobs through there or whatever. Sitting at zone in negates anything a AOE group's claim imo. That would be incidentally training them, but still a train and punishable.

There are areas in chardok where the train pulls don't agro or even come close to. I always pointed out those areas to people who would petition. I would say those areas are safer to fight in than anywhere in the zone asides from zone out.

In the end, aoeing chardok can be a disruption. Players have worked it out so there hasn't been an issue.

[Man0warr]

Maybe in the rules it's wrong, but no AE group has been stopped or punished for training a group doing Betrayer.

AE group has no claim because they are at zone in, but you'd also have to be an idiot to get intentionally trained to try and get the AE group in trouble.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe in the rules it's wrong, but no AE group has been stopped or punished for training a group doing Betrayer.

AE group has no claim because they are at zone in, but you'd also have to be an idiot to get intentionally trained to try and get the AE group in trouble.

Yeah. I can agree and usually most people only want a pipe that go to Chardok and if they talk to the AE group (At least the ones I have been in). They are more than happy to surrender one pipe when he spawns than to deal with the headache of a betrayer group wiping or causing an AE wipe by cross aggroing their pull.