Bundy Ranch - more than just cattle

[BigHurb]

no one here has heard of the us forest service or national parks? lol

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Bamz4l [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

the constitution grants the federal government to owning land for stuff like forts, not for solar farms

Wrong.

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2:
"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."

That means the government can own any land for any purpose it deems worthy.

[BigHurb]

CAREFUL, you might wake the truthers

[BigHurb]

Originally Posted by Bamz4l [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

no its about standing up for your freedoms as an American citizen against your own tyrannical government.

"A Texas family whose home was within a two-mile radius of 22 natural gas wells — one of which was less than 800 feet away — has been awarded $2.9 million by a jury. The family, who suffered from a variety of ailments (including nosebleeds, rashes, migraines and more), was advised by a doctor to leave their ranch immediately and see a physician specializing in environmental health.

The defendant in the case, Aruba Petroleum, disagreed with the jury's decision, as did other attorneys who are familiar with the energy sector — calling in a 'knee-jerk' reaction. Additionally the company noted that they had complied with all applicable environmental regulations."


Still think govt is the tyrant? CORPS will kill you for a dollar and who will stop them? you? or we the people? duuurrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr ie the govt you FUCKING MORONNNS

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by moklianne [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Actually, it is about land. They specifically said, "They just want to be able to graze their cattle where their ancestors could." What they meant to say is for free. Others have said that these guys are assholes and after all of the recent racial slurs by them, I completely believe them. You know its bad when Hannity and the crazy right back away quickly.

But you said the government has a purpose for the land and that's why you think this action is justified. I'm just asking you what purpose the government has for the land and why they can't just use it? I haven't watched this closely since I don't give a shit about a farmer in Nevada, but the rumors I have heard involve a solar power station. So the question then becomes, if the government owns the land, and wants to put a solar power station there, why not just do it? As I understand it, we're talking about something like 1000 sq miles. I suspect they aren't going to fill more than 0.01% of that with whatever it is they are going to build.

The truth is, it's not about what the government wants to do with the land. It's about the government wanting to raise revenue from the land, which is land they don't really have much of a use for otherwise. I don't hold a strong opinion either way as to the validity of this, but don't pretend like this guy is keeping the government from using their own land.

[Nuggie]

Wth were the states rights people thinking when they let that slide in?

Edit - orruar, cattle are destructive animals. Solar arrays are fragile. Yes they could fence it off. cattle near where I work get through/ past the fences / gates uncommonly. Also, when it's a calf that gets past the fence and can't figure out how to get back they get panicky. And when it's a bull that gets past it can be a major hassle getting him where he doesn't want to go.

[Orruar]

I'm trying to picture a solar power array surrounded by a poorly constructed fence with cows just waiting to get in there to wreck shit. But I can't. Because I have a brain.

This is not about the government wanting to use 0.1% of the land and needing to keep the other 99.9% cow free in order to do so. It's all about the $$

[Nuggie]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm trying to picture a solar power array surrounded by a poorly constructed fence with cows just waiting to get in there to wreck shit. But I can't. Because I have a brain.

This is not about the government wanting to use 0.1% of the land and needing to keep the other 99.9% cow free in order to do so. It's all about the $$

Hey scarecrow, you didn't need to get defensive and be a dick. But since you did, and you don't appear to be familiar with cattle issues, since you have a brain:

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This is the standard type of fence used with cattle. It it inexpensive, easy to install, easy to maintain. It also looks weak to the small cow brain. They tend to leave it alone. Except when they slip past it. When they are laying down and roll over( an uncommon occurrence, but it happens) they roll underneath. This is far more common in calves.

If you went with a more solid fence such as:
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to a small cow brain it looks sturdy and they like to rub themselves on it. Because they have flea's and ticks and shit. And when you have a 2 ton cow rubbing up on your fence the fences don't last long.

Edit- got the pictures to work, hurray!

A side story: one night where I used to work some cattle got past a fence, actually they tore part of it down, but anyways... I had to get the cows back to the other side and fix the fence. My partner and I shooed 3 of the 4 back across fairly easy. But the fourth was being stubborn. Instead of running back through the fence it ran past the bad part, down the fence a hundred yards or so. We made a wide circle around it to the other side to work it back towards the bad part of the fence.

When we got about 20 yards from it, it squared up on us and started ripping it's feet in the dirt. And suddenly is dawned on me. This cow was a bull. Oh fuck. It made a few grunts. I happened to be carry a very bright flashlight at that point, but it was turned off. I turned it on and spooked that bull. It ran full speed at the fence and ran right through it. The fence was intact and the bull was on the other side. To this day I don't understand how that worked.

I stuck around for about a half hour listening to that bull howl. I like to think it took a barb to the nuts. The bastard.

Now you're probably thinking, "what kind of idiot mistakes a bull for a cow? Bulls have horns!" well, this breed of bull didn't have horns. And since it was like 2 am I wasn't checking these cows out for nut sacks in the dark.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wrong.

Article IV, Section 3, Clause 2:
"The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State."

That means the government can own any land for any purpose it deems worthy.

danke for the document itself.

everyone should read the constitution then every opinion handed down by the supreme court, and then an understanding of this country's history will occur

[citizen1080]

Originally Posted by Nuggie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And since it was like 2 am I wasn't checking these cows out for nut sacks in the dark.

Lol'd