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[Galacticus]

While boxing sounds like a good idea, it won't help server pop. It will be more targets for twinks and a requirement for anyone new to the server. Most of all this would benefit those who already have multipul 60 accounts which are the already established people on the server.

Chances are if your boxing your gonna need to group less with other people and will most likely just duo with your boxed character from 1-50.

If you did allow boxing it should be limited to characters under 50 for the soul purpose of bringing a player in the 1-50 range to the main populations level so they can meet people and make fiends.



The thing that is important is getting people to stay here and play.

Maybe we should have a one time pass for every new player to just create a level 40. That is what other mmos have done in the past to help fix population decline.

They could use that character to farm gear for characters or to power level their friends or to level up and join the server population.

They would still have to level for 10 levels to gear up and learn the class if they don't know it before they would be in range of the main server population.

You could then take out the exp bonus past level 40. We would see way more people playing

[Gaffin 7.0]

stasis is right, remove the 8 range to 4 50+ and see it thrive

[Squire]

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[Pudge]

GMs, just make me an "ooc monitor" - if i see some toxic chat, i'll mute someone. Would be even better if they didn't know they were muted, and just continued to spewn their garbage to only themselves.

eventually maybe they see no one was responding to their cries for attention, and actually stop by themselves, no more mutes required

[Cid]

And if a person is unable or incapable of boxing, be it from hardware, location or whatever, do they receive an equal benefit as someone like you or I that have extra 60 characters that we could use?

Fair means equality for every single person who plays. The American Declaration of Independence holds the line "All men are created equal" yet never mentions slavery and the people who benefitted called it fair and just and tons of other synonyms.

I know that is an extreme example of how fair and equal can be made into relative terms. We can call anything fair and it is quite probable we could convince ourselves it really is fair. Hell, I might even be completely wrong in my assessment of the consequences of boxing, but I know for sure that 100% of the people playing on Red can play one character. 99.9% isn't good enough to change the rule in my opinion, and it might not even be that much.

A lot of international players were getting screwed by lag in TT until recently. If something like that occurs with boxing would you fight to get it fixed for them or would you just ignore their problem like everyone did about the lag and box every second you are ingame?

As long as one person gets left out my principles do not let me condone something. (Not including myself, I do not take myself into consideration.) HB if you were the only person on the server who couldn't box, I would fight and argue to have boxing removed until they fixed your problem or permanently if couldn't not be fixed. I would do the same for almost anyone, even Tune and he is the opposite of just about everything my principles stand for.

Once more, I could be wrong about this whole thing, but I tend to be proven right in time, even when I wish otherwise.

I'll leave the subject be for now. If people cannot see the possibility of dual-boxing going wrong and what that could cause, I don't think anything I say will make much of a difference.

[Cid]

Originally Posted by Galacticus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing that is important is getting people to stay here and play.

Maybe we should have a one time pass for every new player to just create a level 40.

They could use that character to farm gear for characters or to power level their friends or to level up and join the server population.

They would still have to level for 10 levels to gear up and learn the class if they don't know it before they would be in range of the main server population.

You could then take out the exp bonus past level 40. We would see way more people playing

This isn't really too bad of an idea if done similar to how Blizzard did the Death Knight class. You can instantly be 40, but only on one class and only if your account has a lvl 40 on Blue or Red, or maybe even Hidden Forest.
That would definitely draw some people from Blue. Starting on a new server on WoW was easy and fun when you can start with a 55 DK. A similar feature would bypass most of the groupless levels and set people up with a toon capable of earning all the pp spells will run you for 44+ spells or for an alt so you aren't praying for a cracked staff off a skelly.

I will probably think of a dozen problems with it in time, but I'd choose this over boxing anyday of the week. Any population increase from it would be new or returning players instead of just boxed alts.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Tubben [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Make it that everyone and his mother can reach 51 fast, and from there on remove any xp bonus.

That would make more sense than a straight xp nerf, coupled with a new group xp bonus

But still i think any kind of nerf is a bad idea right now

Maybe after population has tripled, and not a straight up nerf

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I dont think boxing is a good idea. My 59 shaman or my druid could easily make me wanna give up trying to group on my rogue cuz its easier to park 2 toons in a zone and logging them on at the same time than trying to look for a group. Still it sucks that mainly only dishonest people playing with "their brother" get to box.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I will add that some of you have valid points in regards to the community. Raising the population on red is a server-wide effort. There is only so much we as a staff can do to foster a positive environment for new players.

To be fair, yet critical, there has been a lot our guides and GMs could have done to help the server grow.

I'll tell you one thing: the most vocal people here on these forums are typically the most inaccurate, unintelligent, and biased. 90% of the posts are people coming to the defense of their guild with ad hominems directed at whomever they feel merits it.

Very few here write like you did in your OP, and hardly anyone thinks about these situations critically. I'm not sure if you ever got to skim the VZTZ boards, but the few voices that could actually make sense and talk about something like the adults they currently are were a huge minority.

People don't seem to realize when their post starts with "That's fucking stupid" or "You're an idiot," they look like ten year olds. The sad irony is that GMs on VZTZ gave into the demands of people like that, which consistently compromised the server's integrity (aside from the already terrible coding). Voidd (from VZTZ), for some reason or another, actually went into depth on those boards about how the races should be separated as nature always intended it to be, so naturally, my skepticism for the future of that server was always careening between barely alive and absolute disaster.

I recognize that P99 staff isn't immune to reason, but you need to do a better job of listening to reasonable people. Not only that, you need to make it known when those people are being heard by you. Show that you're involved on the boards when discussions like these are going on and people are making valid points. Not once in a blue moon. Always. You need to treat reasonable people like your electorate. Show support for ideas or things people in the player base say and shitty behavior will decline. Regardless of how you see it, people, on some weird level, admire the staff (otherwise they wouldn't be here). You're the role models here.

People who can't voice their concerns like adults don't deserve influence. It's very simple. If they act like ten year olds, you can be certain they'll blow this place up like one.

[Fame]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To be fair, yet critical, there has been a lot our guides and GMs could have done to help the server grow.

I'll tell you one thing: the most vocal people here on these forums are typically the most inaccurate, unintelligent, and biased. 90% of the posts are people coming to the defense of their guild with ad hominems directed at whomever they feel merits it.

Very few here write like you did in your OP, and hardly anyone thinks about these situations critically. I'm not sure if you ever got to skim the VZTZ boards, but the few voices that could actually make sense and talk about something like the adults they currently are were a huge minority.

People don't seem to realize when their post starts with "That's fucking stupid" or "You're an idiot," they look like ten year olds. The sad irony is that GMs on VZTZ gave into the demands of people like that, which consistently compromised the server's integrity (aside from the already terrible coding). Voidd (from VZTZ), for some reason or another, actually went into depth on those boards about how the races should be separated as nature always intended it to be, so naturally, my skepticism for the future of that server was always careening between barely alive and absolute disaster.

I recognize that P99 staff isn't immune to reason, but you need to do a better job of listening to reasonable people. Not only that, you need to make it known when those people are being heard by you. Show that you're involved on the boards when discussions like these are going on and people are making valid points. Not once in a blue moon. Always. You need to treat reasonable people like your electorate. Show support for ideas or things people in the player base say and shitty behavior will decline. Regardless of how you see it, people, on some weird level, admire the staff (otherwise they wouldn't be here). You're the role models here.

People who can't voice their concerns like adults don't deserve influence. It's very simple. If they act like ten year olds, you can be certain they'll blow this place up like one.

TL;DR but we get it bro, you're better than us

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Fame [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TL;DR but we get it bro, you're better than us

You read it.