In Response, How many would start on a new blue server?

[baalzy]

Originally Posted by Issues [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A new blue server, will be the same as the current blue server a year or two down the road. seems redundant.

Sept shaman wouldn't have been able to get to 34 nearly as fast since they wouldn't have a bugged lvl 14 DOT doing 4x the damage it should.

Enchanters wouldn't have had 2 years to level up spamming whirl till you hurl.

Manastones would've been much more rare because their drop rates would have been significantly lower.

Monks wouldnt have been able to solo to 50 at a zoneline abusing instant-refresh mend.

People wouldn't have been able to charm solo as easily due to broken charms that almost always lasted their full duration.

Plat wouldn't be heavily inflated due to JC exploits & dupes.

People wouldn't have been able to AOE level in Skyfire.

Fungis wouldn't have been nearly as easy to farm because of invis pulling.

Kunark would have been able to drop at the right time (not after people had 8 level 50s).

VP would come on time.

Velious would come on time.

Account trading wouldn't have created a massive imbalance of people being able to park alts at various camps.

I'm sure there are a lot of other non-classic exploits people were able to do on blue because the true state wasn't known until after the fact.

Sure, 3-4 years after Velious drops the server would probably be in a similar state, but a new blue now would be a radically different experience from 2009.

[formallydickman]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sept shaman wouldn't have been able to get to 34 nearly as fast since they wouldn't have a bugged lvl 14 DOT doing 4x the damage it should.

Enchanters wouldn't have had 2 years to level up spamming whirl till you hurl.

Manastones would've been much more rare because their drop rates would have been significantly lower.

Monks wouldnt have been able to solo to 50 at a zoneline abusing instant-refresh mend.

People wouldn't have been able to charm solo as easily due to broken charms that almost always lasted their full duration.

Plat wouldn't be heavily inflated due to JC exploits & dupes.

People wouldn't have been able to AOE level in Skyfire.

Fungis wouldn't have been nearly as easy to farm because of invis pulling.

Kunark would have been able to drop at the right time (not after people had 8 level 50s).

VP would come on time.

Velious would come on time.

Account trading wouldn't have created a massive imbalance of people being able to park alts at various camps.

I'm sure there are a lot of other non-classic exploits people were able to do on blue because the true state wasn't known until after the fact.

Sure, 3-4 years after Velious drops the server would probably be in a similar state, but a new blue now would be a radically different experience from 2009.

QFT. Among many many other things

[Shaakglith12194]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

[bled12345]

I was choked that I started on p99 right when DE mask and manastone were about to be taken out haha. Getting 50 was a big deal, and there was still global ooc chat [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Honestly though, the only reason I still troll p99 3 years after I played is in the hopes that a fresh server would start. I rolled on red not because I cared about pvp but because it was a new p99 server, sadly it was a ghost town, and quit after having to solo to 16 as a warrior haha.

The staff have never been interested in starting a new blue server, about a year ago there was a big push for it including multiple people even willing to donate large sums of money, still no go haha, so I wouldn't hold your breath.


Although people having 6+ level 60's, and the economy being flooded with millions and millions of plat over the years, that's not what intrigues most people about a new server. Back in the day, new server pops were just *FUN*, it was like the wild frontier, f*** planes gear and dragon drops, seeing a level 23 warrior with dual fine steel weapons and banded steel was MIND blowing! lol, thats whats cool about new servers, warriors being ballin at level 10 with a full set of rawhide gear lmao.


Anyways, fingers crossed, I wouldn't hold my breath though.... I've been hoping for a new blue for years now, and I would have suffocated long ago :P

[bled12345]

Originally Posted by Shaakglith12194 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Tecmos is completely right about this, it seems that the main reasons for people to want a new server is that they are concerned with what others are doing and feel that affects their experience. The twinking and powerleveling will still happen and I'll tell you exactly how it would happen.

TMO (just using them as an example because they're well known, I have no bias for/against them) starts their guild on new server. They farm bone chips, cb belts, lego pads, etc. and help get a druid up to PL range. And then another. And another. Druid PL squad PLs the rest of the guild to raid status. Now you've got a group of people from the original blue server who have come together possibly because of this server who are more organized on the new server than when they started on the old one. They're all max level 2 weeks into the opening of the server. They begin locking down every single camp worth a damn on the entire server, occasionally leaving to kill naggy/vox.

While they're locking down these camps, they're also maxing their tradeskills because what else are ya gonna do while holding down 30 minute spawns? So they start twinking, jewelry floods the market, nobody wants the silver/electrum stuff 3 weeks after release because if they just kill a few more hill giants, they can buy something they won't have to upgrade for a long time. Dudes are twinked, raid mobs are locked down, low end tradeskills aren't worth crap/nobody wants them, and every low level zone is so overcamped and overcrowded it becomes more of a pain in the ass than the current server could possibly be. 4 years after the release of Live EQ, did people still want to buy those low skill jewelcraft items? Hell no. You blame "stagnation" but it's not that, it's that 4 years after the release of a server, nobody wanted that stuff.

And three months after the server opens, the people who want a restart will either be near/at max level or level 12. Most will be level 12. The casuals will still be lowbies, the hardcores will still be hardcore, all the things you don't like will actually be worse. Someone in this thread complained about people giving them items, well then, just don't take them. I have a 55 troll sk, a 28 DE cleric, and a 12 gnome mage. The SK I started a few months after server start and my gear is just now starting to look decent. Had a corpse rot at like level 25 when my comp got stolen after a night where I died and logged. Got a new comp months later, beat level 1's to death with my fists, grabbed a rusty sword, and went to killing newb mobs for cash until I could get some gear. His gear/items are worth easily 60k+ today and I've earned it all. Cleric was twinked with like 3k worth of items (not much of a twink). Mage I just started with absolutely NO twinking. Not a single platinum, not a single item. Having a great time and the only thing bothering me is this damned druid in unrest powerleveling, but that would be happening on a new server too.

It's your choice to accept charity, no one is trade raping you. You can say "no" and you'll still have a good time.

tl;dr Tecmos is right in every one of his posts in this thread. New server would be way worse in every respect.

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by baalzy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Sept shaman wouldn't have been able to get to 34 nearly as fast since they wouldn't have a bugged lvl 14 DOT doing 4x the damage it should.

Enchanters wouldn't have had 2 years to level up spamming whirl till you hurl.

Manastones would've been much more rare because their drop rates would have been significantly lower.

Monks wouldnt have been able to solo to 50 at a zoneline abusing instant-refresh mend.

People wouldn't have been able to charm solo as easily due to broken charms that almost always lasted their full duration.

Plat wouldn't be heavily inflated due to JC exploits & dupes.

People wouldn't have been able to AOE level in Skyfire.

Fungis wouldn't have been nearly as easy to farm because of invis pulling.

Kunark would have been able to drop at the right time (not after people had 8 level 50s).

VP would come on time.

Velious would come on time.

Account trading wouldn't have created a massive imbalance of people being able to park alts at various camps.

I'm sure there are a lot of other non-classic exploits people were able to do on blue because the true state wasn't known until after the fact.

Sure, 3-4 years after Velious drops the server would probably be in a similar state, but a new blue now would be a radically different experience from 2009.

This is what ive been getting at. I wonder how much money it would take to get the gentlemen working on the servers to pop out a new one. Shit ill buy whatever it takes and host that shit in a padlocked apartment ill rent for the server.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by bled12345 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This arguement doesn't hold much weight lol, There was IB, then there was DA, then there was Europa, then there was fusion, then there was Europa/IB again, then TMO, shit changes, people willing to organize and play 14 hours a day are always going to be on top.


I think the problem with p99 current state vs a fresh server, is that on a newer server a cloak of flames is a BIG deal, a set of banded is a BIG deal, a set of full bronze, or having silver jewelery like mentioned above is a BIG deal.

Being one of a handful of level 50 warriors, or bards, or paladins, or enchanters, is a BIG deal.

I tried playing on p99 again recently, and it just wasn't interesting. There was no motivation to try to level up, and be a "BIG DEAL" (that's where the motivating drive behind EQ really lays no?) Even if you got up to level 60 as a warrior, you aren't really needed because there are people with 6 level 60's, and a plethora of every class they can just hop on to at any point it's needed lol. That's kind of fooked.

I think the problem, to me at least, is that nothing in p99 is a big deal anymore. It's expected people have multiple level 60's, and hundreds of thousands of plat, and multiple CoF's or heiro cloaks in the bank. Nothing really matters, and there is no incentive to be "sweeeeet" on this server, because even when you amass hundreds of thousands of plat, and level up multiple level 60's, your just one amongst many, and it doesn't even really matter.


Server's need big deals, they need the Zilo's, the furor's, its just not interesting when EVERYONE has a SHIT TON of end game loot and plat, on MULTIPLE characters. What's the point of being a millionaire if everyone is, or having a ferrari if it's mass produced and more common than a civic.

Being a winner is fun, but only when there's losers, on p99 everyone is a winner, everyone has ribbons, so no one cares, at least I don't..... It'd be fun to care again :P

I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

[LittleSorcerer7]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you grossly overestimate the number of people with multiple 60s and the number of millionaires. There are so many silly statements in your post that just aren't true.

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

[Kaleadar]

you forgot a big one in that list... the change from pets giving full EXP to owner to having to do 1 point of dmg to having to do over 50%.

This was huge back in the day.

[skipdog]

Originally Posted by LittleSorcerer7 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

if there is 1 millionaire for any reason other than normal gameplay, that is too many. Sorry that we do not agree about cheating and exploits.

Huh? You think 1 person having 1 million plat is 'too many'? For what reasons?

Posts like yours confuse the heck out of me. The few who are that rich have literally poured their life into this game for years. Your assertion that 'cheating and exploits' is the only way to obtain such a fortune is laughable.