Rat Race (New AGC Game Idea)

[Daldaen]

Yea... I am still skeptical.

You may call me an unbeliever if you wish.

Regardless this is clearly driven by the OP's desire to profit, ergo it should go into the EC Sub-forum.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

50k for hosting the event is way too much - and let's not forget you've set this up as a 'minimum entry'. I would easily host this event for 10k.

Hell if I was bored I would host the event for free. What all is there to do besides

a) Own a Fungi
b) Own an account (free)
c) Log onto account where you said you'd be, and choose a winner when they get to you?

This consists of

a) making sure everyone who gives you money is represented as a lvl 1 toon
b) making sure that the person you give a tunic to is one of those people

This is at tops 1 hour of work. People spend more time just trying to sell a fungi tunic than this, rather it be on the forums or in EC, and get nothing more than the price of the tunic.

If you want to claim that you are using proceeds for charity, then you need to show your examples of charity. You can't say you're 'going to do giveaways' or that you've 'done giveaways' without any proof. Charitable entities tend to have to disclose where their funds are going.

What I know about you

a) You petitioned to get an ip exemption as your first post
b) You asked for advice on gearing out your first char, a bard, and ended up doing it with a guardian's mace and full mystic koada'dal by 45
c) Your only other threads are about gambling schemes and how you can make money.

You're less than reputable, by any stretch of the imagination. 'Other race items?' Pray tell - why do you need a huge profit to buy 'more' race items - that you will then also have a huge profit off of? Does this culminate in some huge robin-hood event?

The whole thing stinks.

You're right about the start up costs of hosting the game. Lets say 1 hour tops to host the game that no one else is offering. The idea itself is a rough draft which is why I'm asking for opinions to make this happen. Dropping the minimum to 20 or 25 players with payouts to 2nd and 3rd when the pot size hits a certain amount?

Items and plat mean nothing more to me and being able to do more giveaways and buy more items to giveaway or to host games. Which I believe you think I want to horde it all and buy items for alts.. Not saying I blame you at all and I would think the same. So you will have to take my customers who and my word that I'm good on my word.

Also as far as reputation being in question, all I can say is Tookie's and Xharti have both been around on the same account since 2009. (Casino was opened in 2010 or 2011). So I'm not a new player who just remade a character this week. I haven't been on in a year and starting running my casino again.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have an interesting approach. You're basically inventing your own profit center here based on this "giveaway" contest.

Nobody would argue that you aren't entitled to some compensation for your time, but using the words "profit" and "giveaway" in describing your concept is just going to turn people off. Arguing that it subsidizes your other giveaways doesn't do much either - it's like Ocean Spray hiking the price of grapefruit juice to subsidize their orange juice production. People who buy grapefruit juice feel slighted, and would just as rather go buy orange (i.e. sit in EC and try to hit one of your no-buy giveaways versus paying for a fungi contest).

To sell this idea, you really have to make people feel like their 5k is being used to maximize their chance at a win and not half-buying a chance at winning, and half-buying into your bank account. I don't think you're doing this yet.

I'm just trying not to hide anything. Yes there is a profit what does that profit get used for? Buying another fungi and doing it again save up do it with a cloak of flames etc. I buy other items to just giveaway for free. I can raise my stakes on my games for people who like to bet big. So when I say profit it goes into those things, and not into my pocket so I can buy stuff for alts. I have what I need.

I don't know how else to ensure that people are getting their 5k's worth at a shot for a fungi.. Which is what this thread is supposed to be about, ideas to help ensure people get their moneys worth, that it's 100% fair to all players and that everyone has fun. (50k profit isn't a total I'm set on was just a rough idea)

[Spitty]

Well, this is why companies rarely post numbers on their actual profit margins. You can have a 50% profit margin and be reinvesting in new product, making huge charitable contributions, providing employee benefits and funding community programs, etc...to the point that your company posts 5-10% actual net profit at the end of the year.

All anyone is going to talk about, though, is how you mark your product up by 50% on the sales rack.

Case in point, you're giving away a roughly 100k item for what amounts to 5k raffle tickets. Most of this thread is still going to center on how you're pocketing 50k at the end of the day based on the minimum participant number you've put up. This is regardless of your future plans or personal ideals - you have to realize people care very little about that, and care a lot about their 5k and their potential fungi.

I'd start by cutting that profit in half, or adding a 25k item for second place. Your current setup is going to result in one happy fungi owner, and 29 unhappy second-place finishers that are going to assume their 5k was part of the 50 you pocketed.

[Sarius]

A race is inherently not fair. People will figure out ways to get the advantage. if you want a fair shot at a fungi, totally fair, then collect the money and /ran the number of players. This is fair, easy, and clear that there will not be "an inside horse".

Get some more money and Tookie btw, I wanna roll big later =)

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, this is why companies rarely post numbers on their actual profit margins. You can have a 50% profit margin and be reinvesting in new product, making huge charitable contributions, providing employee benefits and funding community programs, etc...to the point that your company posts 5-10% actual net profit at the end of the year.

All anyone is going to talk about, though, is how you mark your product up by 50% on the sales rack.

Case in point, you're giving away a roughly 100k item for what amounts to 5k raffle tickets. Most of this thread is still going to center on how you're pocketing 50k at the end of the day based on the minimum participant number you've put up. This is regardless of your future plans or personal ideals - you have to realize people care very little about that, and care a lot about their 5k and their potential fungi.

I'd start by cutting that profit in half, or adding a 25k item for second place. Your current setup is going to result in one happy fungi owner, and 29 unhappy second-place finishers that are going to assume their 5k was part of the 50 you pocketed.

Comments like this are what I'm looking for. Yes 50k is a big markup. I put 5k 30 players min, just to get the idea across, but that being said, there needs to be a minimum amount of players that exceeds the amount of the item, for all the reasons I've pointed out before.

Minimum amount of people needed for the game at 5k would be 20 (without prizes for 2nd and 3rd and profit) After 20 people have signed up when the prize pool exceeds certain amounts prizes will be paid out to 2nd and 3rd or more depending on the prize pool.

Other idea is have a minimum and maximum amount of players and prize support will be a set rate for 2nd and 3rd.

Originally Posted by Sarius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

A race is inherently not fair. People will figure out ways to get the advantage. if you want a fair shot at a fungi, totally fair, then collect the money and /ran the number of players. This is fair, easy, and clear that there will not be "an inside horse".

Get some more money and Tookie btw, I wanna roll big later =)

People gaining advantages: I say everything is fair game but only people who have paid and made a lvl 1 can claim the reward. So if they want to buddy up with a druid or bard to track and run fast go for it.. with that being said you know that you're playing with the understanding anything goes. (No exploits 2 boxing or anything that breaks P99 rules). I see that being the most fair way.. everyone who paid starts in the same area. At the start of the race the Zone the Target will be called out. From then on out do whatever it takes to be the first to find the Target. If you have a better idea please comment.

[zforrestal]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This just became a team event.

Try beating a level 60 druid and a level 60 bard backlining a level one warrior, especially if the target's zone is being called out at the start.

Well, it's the only way to make it so everyone is on even terms at the start. I imagined it more lvl 1's scurrying trying to find ports etc.. but obviously thats not going to happen. People are going to have ports lined up and a tracker ready. So why not make it any rules necessary to win.. but only the lvl 1 can claim prize. If you wanna split the prize with anyone who helped that's on you. Unless you have a better idea...

Also I plan to be a moving target within the zone announced.

[Sarius]

Fair would be a bunch of lvl 1 humans fighting in Freeport. If you get a buff you are DQ'd

[zforrestal]

I am not opposed to that idea.. what would entry fee be? Everyone the same race/class or all different. Expand

[Sarius]

Same race, same class. The only problem would be pre-arranging to team up with one another. I really think a random is the only way to be fair, but I understand you are trying to do something different