What happened to the days where rep mattered and the players upheld the rules

[Azure]

Red Dawns only defense:

The infidels are insane and follow FALSE GODS AND IDOLS!

BURN THEM AT THE STAKE FOR THOSE HEATHENS WILL BRING US TO HELL!

/sad

[heartbrand]

wut

[Bokke]

Since starting on this server Katrasle and I have tried as best as possible to fight as cleanly as possible.

Nothing has changed in our routine with the new PnP rules, and yet now instead of 'good fight, can I get my corpse' I get people constantly screaming "can't touch me ban ban ban" in my face, or trash talking before they scoot, or engaging us one zone over only to flee back into their 'safe zone' where they can again scream 'ban ban ban'.

These rules allow what I can only presume are grown adults to act like children with out consequences. They also leave so much room for abuse.

I think a screenshot I took during the Dreadlands PvP is the essence of why these rules are hostile:
http://i.imgur.com/U7pFkaF.png

Pathetic.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Bokke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since starting on this server Katrasle and I have tried as best as possible to fight as cleanly as possible.

Nothing has changed in our routine with the new PnP rules, and yet now instead of 'good fight, can I get my corpse' I get people constantly screaming "can't touch me ban ban ban" in my face, or trash talking before they scoot, or engaging us one zone over only to flee back into their 'safe zone' where they can again scream 'ban ban ban'.

These rules allow what I can only presume are grown adults to act like children with out consequences. They also leave so much room for abuse.

I think a screenshot I took during the Dreadlands PvP is the essence of why these rules are hostile:
http://i.imgur.com/U7pFkaF.png

Pathetic.

It is sad that some are trying to use the PnP rules to essentially grief. The entire point was just a message from the GMs telling the server they would not allow griefing, you know what griefing is, clean up your act. The majority of the server wasn't griefing anyways but they wanted to address it and give warning to those that would get a ban if they continued to do what they do.

If players do things like attack you on a corpse run, no matter what zone they are in, PnP is off and you can attack them again.

If players state they are frapsing just to get people banned and that is all they care about, I would be surprised if they wouldn't get a suspension themselves.

The PnP was a failure because of how childish and retarded most of the community is. People are trying to figure out how to grief within the rules or how to get people in trouble when the entire spirit of the rules was to promote healthy competitive PvP.

Once the GMs, if ever, get some more time to invest in this server they will clean it up but it will take a more hands on approach since this community can't do much on its own.

[Tassador]

Bokke post made my toes tingle and the hairs on my neck get that fuzzy feeling. Good read sir!

[Bokke]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is sad that some are trying to use the PnP rules to essentially grief. The entire point was just a message from the GMs telling the server they would not allow griefing....
The PnP was a failure because of how childish and retarded most of the community is.

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Bokke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

Problem with your last sentence is that corpse camping usually has little to do with rep.

[Tune]

Originally Posted by Bokke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

great post

thanks bokke

good pvper too

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Bokke [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I understand the spirit in which the rules were created. My opinion at least is that if people are coming to play on a RED EQ server they have to expect classic grief.

Extreme cases of grief such as exp death bind camping, or forcing guild res timers to expire, or camping bodies for multiple days could still be dealt with by a GM.

The little day to day pvp transactions that take place though really don't require GM assistance. Its not difficult to take a breather and log off the game for a few hours if you're being corpse camped, or god forbid actually having to be civil and maintain a good reputation so you don't end up being camped in the first place.

Classic amount of grief is exactly what people should expect on Project 1999 and that is what the PnP rules were meant to do. Unfortunately we don't have GMs on all the time to look at every situation. Corpse camping was illegal on live and would be dealt with.

The PnP was a bandaid to help enforce a classic Everquest environment without the use of GMs investing their time. Guild leaders couldn't step up and help govern these rules without them being "server rules" so we are stuck with a bad solution. It will evolve in time but there is no reason to complain about it. Best thing people do is not act like assholes.

There is so much talk about bans on this server. Did anyone even get a real ban besides Tune? A guy who has broken rules on this server since day one. It had little to do with the PnP and much to do with everything else.

[Bokke]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Corpse camping was illegal on live and would be dealt with.

What game was this because it sure as hell was not the EverQuest I was playing.
Discordia/Indig/Pande corpse camped each other on TZ at least weekly.

Edit: Sorry this came across as snarky. I legitimately don't recall corpse camping being illegal, and if it was no one cared.