I am pretty sure Nihi made up their own rule pls clarify Sirken

[Mac Dretti]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I've raided with TMO on blue. I haven't seen that happen with more people. This doesn't mean it had anything to do with Nihilum. Maybe it's shitty luck. Who knows, who cares. I would be worried though as a member of either guild with Velious, where both sides will be raiding with deep numbers, dragons that have 300k+ HP. If this is truly a server side issue, it needs addressing or we could be in for some bad fights.

I think the only thing people are saying is it's a bit lame sitting on corpses. It's against the Red Dawn charter, and I wouldn't do it personally. You're entitled to do it though, and I gladly logged off, played two ARAM's and went to sleep, while a bunch of nerds sat on corpses. Woke up and got my corpse npnp this morning.

Oh tmo has enemy guilds bereavin them? Didn't know pvp was enabled there. Also didn't know tmo did gore with 125 people cray.

Maybe you should have gotten on a port bot to help your guildies CR instead of playing aram and saying fuck it.

[Kergan]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

[Zalaerian]

I can confirm Warsaint is on nihi's roster.....

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am starting to think the RD thinks any time we stop them from doing a dragon we're griefing them. The PNP is not in place so you can kill mobs.

I was there for the entire engagement, including the setup an hour or so in advance.

Look, here is the deal. You can call us assholes if you want but if you can't see our angle you're just being stubborn. We DO NOT WANT you to kill dragons. Just like you don't want us to kill dragons. Why? Because we are competing with each other.

The simple fact of the matter is we had NO CHOICE but to YT people. Believe me, none of us wanted to waste our time doing that. We have absolutely no claim to zone control until we activate the PNP which is done only by a PVP kill.

I was playing a cleric for the battle and the one doing about 90% of the rezzing. What Stasis is saying is 100% spin doctoring bullshit. I was clicking epic which last I check doesn't have a random % of experience restored attached to it. Secondly, the decision was made and unanimously agreed upon that RD people get a rez and Azrael people don't. I don't think you need me to explain why.

We rezzed some of the biggest trolls and vocal people against us. We rezzed Isosceles. We rezzed Exed. But then Exed did something stupid and plugged while in transit to avoid YT. At that point we couldn't do it anymore. Blame your own idiot guildmate for ruining it for the rest of you. I had rezzed about 7 or 8 people at that point and had many more tells agreeing to get their corpse rezzed, take a quick YT, get a second rez and then LNS. A 2 minute process. We were going to do this for everyone, but Exed ruined it.

The RD PR team will be out in force today, claiming we rule lawyered a method to grief. In reality, our goal was to prevent you from killing Gore, make it so you couldn't try again and go do our thing. This is a PVP server gentlemen, there are far more difficult opponents then dragons. If you don't like it there is a server where you don't have to deal with this.

You wanted these rules. You fought for these rules. Now we're playing by these rules and you still complain. We're not going to roll over for you guys, we're not going to let you guys have free shots at dragons. We're going to contest and that is what this server is about.

And to the many RD I had cordial conversations with last night, thank you. Many of you expressed you understood what we were doing and why and showed me for the first time that the forum warriors here really do not represent the majority of RD.

Going after the dragon again was never even considered. It was known RD just wanted to have a couple clerics rez there members and log. There is some truth in this post and some bullshit. It goes both ways, I understand people on both sides are biased. The fact that there are a few of you that actually believe you are doing the right thing is frightening. The majority are ashamed or trolls that were enjoying the griefing.

[Andis]

god damn pras hippos sig

[Kinamara]

The show must go on... It's January now and nothing changed...

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[Kergan]

Originally Posted by HippoNipple [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Going after the dragon again was never even considered. It was known RD just wanted to have a couple clerics rez there members and log. There is some truth in this post and some bullshit. It goes both ways, I understand people on both sides are biased. The fact that there are a few of you that actually believe you are doing the right thing is frightening. The majority are ashamed or trolls that were enjoying the griefing.

Your intent is meaningless to us. We don't want to leave the choice in your hands. The "right thing" is always going to be relative to which side you're on. We're trying to win, because this is a player vs player server. We're stopping the players of the opposing force from making advancements. That is why there is a PVP server in the first place.

There are actually posts on this forum from your members asking why we didn't just let you have a shot at it and leave you alone. That is what you're trying to turn this server into.

And I was one of the most vocal supporters of rezzing you guys up. There were many that argued against it. In the end Exed made the decision pretty easy, and justified it even more by logging in Hollix and taunting us over it.

[heartbrand]

These forums are so bad. No one, well at least not myself, is claiming you broke any server rules. Was it lame and over the top? I think so. Does it really matter? No. Am I discouraged? Nope. Who gives a fuck.

[Kanzar]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is directly from Sirken.



So yes, the cleric CANNOT ress his friends after being pked and forced to LNS.

My suggestion is to bring some friends and force those people out of the zone OR just wait until they leave.

You can make a player agreement and that 100% trumps the PNP. This was stated by the GM's directly. This argument is invalid.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Kanzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can make a player agreement and that 100% trumps the PNP. This was stated by the GM's directly. This argument is invalid.

Good luck getting Nizzar and Heartbrand to agree on anything. Just assume that is not an option in a Nihilum vs RD/Azrael engagement. Pinch off the Azrael turds and maybe?