The Deru' Plan C discussion

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

im a regular member of my guild i dont have power

You have the power to /guildremove yourself from the very same toxic element that drug Coldblooded's RL pic through the mud. Same power that Xasten and Elethia have. But you guys don't. You can stir up shit in the TMO forums about the great injustices all you want while they laugh at you... yet you still stay.

Do not come here now and say you had the power to do nothing about it. You could have removed your association with them and found a better guild that didnt stoop to those levels.

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have the power to /guildremove yourself from the very same toxic element that drug Coldblooded's RL pic through the mud. Same power that Xasten and Elethia have. But you guys don't. You can stir up shit in the TMO forums about the great injustices all you want while they laugh at you... yet you still stay.

Do not come here now and say you had the power to do nothing about it. You could have removed your association with them and found a better guild that didnt stoop to those levels.

Yendor seriously do not come I here and lecture people and be all white knighty about leave your guild, stake a stand! BDA, VD, IB, TR, FE, Fishbait, DA, Div, etctectec are ALL far from innocent in a TON of shit. Get you and your shovel back to RNF. And there was a post of yours I was going to quote in another thread and do a DosEques meme 'I don't always agree with Yendor posts, but when I do...' I just haven't been on a comp yet to make it heh. Still on my phone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Messianic]

It's not white knighting to point out that someone chose to associate with people, despite supposedly disagreeing with their wrong actions, likely because they had a better shot at loot by staying.

[Xadion]

Do you quit your job if a coworker is an asshat? Do you jump the country when you find out a politician is a crook? If you say yes, then you all should have left your own respective guilds many times over.

but normal people say no, and stay to try and make things better or to be with the good players they are friends with.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have the power to /guildremove yourself from the very same toxic element that drug Coldblooded's RL pic through the mud. Same power that Xasten and Elethia have. But you guys don't. You can stir up shit in the TMO forums about the great injustices all you want while they laugh at you... yet you still stay.

Do not come here now and say you had the power to do nothing about it. You could have removed your association with them and found a better guild that didnt stoop to those levels.

you could have said the same when VD was the most caugth mq shoeq caugth guild with over 100 players got shafted.

what was done then yendor?.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I don't believe VD or BDA are on trial here as shitting up the raid scene, are they? I'm not the one sitting here saying "I don't like what my guild did... I spoke out against it and they laughed at me... and that was the best I could do" am I? I am merely demonstrating to you that you DID have the power to do something about it (guildremove) and chose not to.

Believe me... if my guild was responsible for shitting up the raid scene and considered the douchebags of the server, I would resign my membership.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe VD or BDA are on trial here as shitting up the raid scene, are they?

as i recall VD was aswell raid suspended . tmo wasnt raid suspended by breaking the law but for the bickering petition quest ensured, during competition .(atleast this last time has been other where yes we have been suspended for doing it).

im not here to defend tmo raid conduit , and much less to you , wich in words of many vd back in the day just showed to get gifts from ib .
oh yess yendor i could post many historys of you from your vd days but it doesnt worth it .

i want a fair competition server for tmo for ib for bda for fe for azure guard for a team for europa .

what i dont like are two things petition quest and how guild rivalitys where made back in the day.
i know u like to blame tmo for all ur deeds but as far im concerned i blame the server in general for not being able to play nice each to other.

this server isnt perfect either by community or technicaly but is the closest thing we have to a classic server .

and since this collect alot of people from different servers each have a different idea of how to set it up.
its impossible to make a 100% server happynes effect for every person of the server .

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe VD or BDA are on trial here as shitting up the raid scene, are they?

You might be soon.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe VD or BDA are on trial here as shitting up the raid scene, are they? I'm not the one sitting here saying "I don't like what my guild did... I spoke out against it and they laughed at me... and that was the best I could do" am I? I am merely demonstrating to you that you DID have the power to do something about it (guildremove) and chose not to.

Believe me... if my guild was responsible for shitting up the raid scene and considered the douchebags of the server, I would resign my membership.

yet you chose back in the day the idea to support TR /ib when actualy they started to lose ground to TMO. and u did for one single reason pixels .

i dont deny people who joined tmo wanted the easiest way to get pixels , unlike you i dont believe in being a hypocrite.

would have been things different if velious was released 1 year ago ? very probably but it wasnt sadly for the server in general.

[Xadion]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't believe VD or BDA are on trial here as shitting up the raid scene, are they? I'm not the one sitting here saying "I don't like what my guild did... I spoke out against it and they laughed at me... and that was the best I could do" am I?

Believe me... if my guild was responsible for shitting up the raid scene and considered the douchebags of the server, I would resign my membership.

You all shitted up the raid scene just as much as any of the other guilds, harboring the known VD etc. Etc.

and what we are saying is you are saying we should have jumped ship in protest for whatever reason, and we are saying the same thing back at you. Stop showing your true RNF roots out here in server chat.

we all need to look at what can be improved, modified and move forward and enjoy the server and I for one am giddy for Velious.