Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[Clark]

Also Autotune needs to take a chill pill

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Clark [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yendors blah.

There is not a guild out there that can out poop TMO/FE/IB. Not a guild even close to that. So if poopin was allowed on Tier A raids... You would't be those 3(the ones with alts). Not to mention FTE is gained from motivated pooper/trackers. How many times did TMO snag a VS fte with 3-5 poopers vs 15+ FE poopers. 4+?

[Racun]

Yet you wont agree to no FTE sniping which is effectively the same as DA stalling - I'm talking about FTE sniping where your FTE is not followed by an immediate engage.

Your motives for wanting DA stalling and poopsocking removed are why this isn't about improving the spirit of competition vs. improving things for TMO. You wanted DA stalling removed prior to TMO's suspension due to the fact you were losing targets to FE/IB as they were using this tactic. You want poopsocking removed as this is the only way smaller guilds can compete as they don't have an alt army to log out at raid targets.

Present a proposal that improves the raid environment for everyone rather than just improving the raid environment for just the top guilds and I'm sure you will have more people agreeing to it.

[sanforce]

This plan drastically increases the number of targets that Tier B guilds currently see (a large improvement). Tier B guilds getting together to completely ruin the spirit of competition shouldn't be taken seriously. These are large guilds, but they aren't true raid guilds because the can't/won't compete. It's humorous to think that their share all plans would have any traction. Alarti has come up with a sensible plan that improves the raid scene, is easy to follow/understand, and gives Tier B a clear path to becoming a competitive raid guild. I don't see what's not to like, other than Tier B wanting everything placed in their lap with only ForumQuest effort.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by Racun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Present a proposal that improves the raid environment for everyone rather than just improving the raid environment for just the top guilds and I'm sure you will have more people agreeing to it.

Have you not read most of this thread?

You've already answered this question in the literal sense by the content of your replies, but I'm asking you rhetorically in the hopes that you might get over yourself and figure out that this is a working proposal here.

[Racun]

If that's the case then everyone will be in here agreeing to the proposal and I will be proven wrong [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds.
Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.

[Troubled]

Remove socking rule. Add a 10 day crossover for VS/CT/Trak for CatB guilds and you might be on to something. Leave the #s in place for catA reqs so catB guilds share CT/VS/Trak during crossover.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by -Catherin- [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll make this clear too.

Im more than willing to be raid suspended for a week, or a month, or longer, if that's what its going to take for a proper agreement for everyone. This doesn't hurt me. This doesn't hurt the smaller guilds. Taken looses the respectable number of targets we get but it also gives us a break from this toxicity in the promise of something better in the future for all of us.

Not sure if I can say that about everyone in the top Guilds though so you had better think about that.

Full quote instead of an edited version tailored to spread misinfo and scare the masses

keep smokin purp, turp

[Tyym]

Alarti I can't believe I am saying this but I support some of the others when I say you might be onto something. See even the insufferable twat can agree with you at times.

As for Troubledour' post -

Remove socking rule. Add a 10 day crossover for VS/CT/Trak for CatB guilds and you might be on to something. Leave the #s in place for catA reqs so catB guilds share CT/VS/Trak during crossover.

There is nothing we can do that will make you guys happy short of just not showing up period. Alarti's suggestion gives you guys about everything you asked for yet you just want more more more.

Morphius
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