Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's the main thing I don't understand from them. Some of these guys punishing them for wanting to test the waters are the same ones boasting about how much more skilled, better equipped, etc they are than the "CAT B" guilds. Don't handicap them in their own bracket for wanting to compete with guilds who already have stacked decks.

If they want to "compete" then they have that option. They will only be bumped up for getting a kill.

Getting a kill will get them VP loot plus they can still compete for all the stuff Tier A's compete on. Even with the low amount of mobs Tier A is competing on I bet there will be Fay's/Tal's/Gore's/Vox's/Draco's that will be available for them to chase.
VS is also just an easy FTE away.

In summary if a guild is capable of beating us to a mob in VP and getting the kill they are capable of competing for a month.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In summary if a guild is capable of beating us to a mob in VP and getting the kill they are capable of competing for a month.

beating? Some of those VP mobs aren't heavily contested and with the no training rule they'll be even be easier to get.

I see no real harm in changing it to something closer to what I suggested. Unless you think that killing one VP mob, or 2 CTs puts a guild on the same ground and terms as IB or TMO.

Seems like the top 3 guilds don't think much of their own skills.

[Hitpoint]

Edit: Nevermind too tired to remember which thread im posting in, going to sleep now.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

beating? Some of those VP mobs aren't heavily contested and with the no training rule they'll be even be easier to get.

I see no real harm in changing it to something closer to what I suggested. Unless you think that killing one VP mob, or 2 CTs puts a guild on the same ground and terms as IB or TMO.

Seems like the top 3 guilds don't think much of their own skills.

Without training they will be heavily contested. Your logical fallacy is ignored.

[Sinestria]

Originally Posted by Sinestria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is a pretty good proposal surprisingly. I think that something more needs to be done with VS though, he is not a gatekeeper to VP and should not be treated as such

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Sinestria [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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VS can be competed at. He is very easy to kill and just requires FTE. CT also has nothing to do with VP.

CT/VS/VP drop top tier loot and are the highest desired targets outside of PD for Tier A raiders.

This is a compromise.... not a get everything you want.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Without training they will be heavily contested. Your logical fallacy is ignored.

So you're saying, when Trak is in window, IB TMO & FE are going to be running off to spend time in VP for a silverwing pop or a xygoz pop?

What about VS?

CT?

Don't kid me with that, the majority of the VP raid targets aren't that valuable to those 3 guilds. When another guild can actually field a VP raid (which will probably be awhile) I don't see any of those 3 moving mains from VS/Trak/CT to fight it out for rot loot.

[uygi]

Agreed, winning a CT kill is quite a bit harder than killing a VP dragon in a no-train zone, never mind that there's a certain amount of [legal] training inherent in CT races to begin with. If we're napping enough to let BDA or whoever else get their engage in first, why penalize the new guy? Seems like a system designed to keep new competitors out of VP.

Bottom line is I have a different opinion on how VP should affect Tier A/B status, but it's mostly a philosophical difference of opinion. The practical impact of either idea is probably negligible. I'm still endorsing your idea [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Sinestria]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

VS can be competed at. He is very easy to kill and just requires FTE. CT also has nothing to do with VP.

CT/VS/VP drop top tier loot and are the highest desired targets outside of PD for Tier A raiders.

This is a compromise.... not a get everything you want.

A compromise would be "tier A will sit out on x amount of VS and x amount of CT". The compromise is that you get to 100% compete in all Trak kills (continued blocking of VP entry)

[Argh]

Best proposal as of yet