OFFICIAL PROPOSAL from FE/TMO

[Yinikren]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anything that is proposed will always favor the top end. Wtf are you smoking. That's because the top end tries harder, invests more or whatever. It will always be that way. We're talking about being good sports and not monopolizing shit here. We're going to have to compete with TMO, nvest all that effort, and maybe still end up on the losing end. Why don't you propose something "fair"? Whatever guild you're in gets an equal amount of mobs as TMO?

If you've read my thread at all (you haven't) you'd realize that this isn't a fucking numbers game.

You want to kill more mobs, pick cheaper targets in my system. You put in the work, you get the more valuable mobs till you hit your cap and someone else gets to raid for a bit.

[-Catherin-]

Originally Posted by Pheer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So we're back to guilds holding the raid scene hostage instead of coming together and discussing compromises and alternate solutions once again?

I believe that's what this is all about (the discussing compromise part.) I think people are making plenty clear that this proposal is not compromise. It's no different than how the raid scene has already been held hostage for the last two years, except this time you guys do not have sweeping authority over what happens. If you consider that holding the raid scene hostage then that's your opinion. Must suck. Welcome to what we have dealt with for years.

People are not going to fall over themselves and rush to an agreement that doesn't change much for the better, in the fear of a suspension because that would be almost like any other day for us anyways.

[Buriedpast]

Yep, it's bullshit and I'm disappointed in FE more than TMO.

I know guys in TMO, I know they're willing to share evenly.

[Hailto]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've said it before and ill say it again. FE and TMO need to stop raiding until Velious is released.

I'm in FE and still need loot from Draco, we don't all have 5 alts vp geared.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have no issues with compromise (see my unbiased post) but I think its absolutely hilarious that TMO and FE can "cut their losses" on 25% of the mobs they would normally take to divide amongst the rest of the server, then peddle their idea as the epitome of fairness.

You must have missed the part where maestro/tal/gore/draco are unavailable to us for the other 3 weeks. Or that we're going to be splitting those priority targets across 3 guilds, probably 4 once BDA or taken cleans up on the first week. I find it hard to imagine that one of those guilds wont end up killing 40%.

[Frieza_Prexus]

Originally Posted by jaybone [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've said it before and ill say it again. FE and TMO need to stop raiding until Velious is released.

I play the game to raid, yet I should not be allowed to do so? Isn't this exactly the complaint the casuals have had against the higher end?

An eye for an eye will make the whole world blind.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Buriedpast [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yep, it's bullshit and I'm disappointed in FE more than TMO.

I know guys in TMO, I know they're willing to share evenly.

TMO has had the shit on lockdown for years. They don't care about their third alts as much as we care about mains. There's a big difference.

[Durka]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just something to consider when talking about a points system...

What do you do when 1 guild either splits into two or sticks a bunch of alts into a brand new guild...?

How will you know if that new guild is a legitimate separate entity, or just a ploy for more points?

Will you just go with your gut feeling and tell a guild that may in fact be its own thing separate from the original guild 'no, you can't raid because we think you're exploiting points'?

Just a thought. Not saying you can't do it.

That was my concern. No way to really track legitimacy of new guilds that spring up as a result of this...

[Hailto]

Buriedpast doesn't even warrant a reply with that idiotic statement.

[jaybone]

Originally Posted by Hailto [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm in FE and still need loot from Draco, we don't all have 5 alts vp geared.

If you dont mind me asking what upgrade do you need and what do you have currently.