Raid Scene Rage Thread

[CodyF86]

Honestly after reading the last few pages I've come to the conclusion
that without simulated patch days i.e., repops this whole thing is going
to fall off the tracks fairly early regardless of what we all decide.

The knowledge that they would be implemented is pretty much the glue
that is going to hold this whole cluster-ef together, and without that it
seems like a lot of people just aren't going to care and continue on as
they have been, even if it means crapping all over everyone else.

No offense to Roegan, but being vague about if this is going to happen
or not is, is part of the reason I see this thing de-railing, esp since because
of the one that already occurred, it's fairly obvious it's not that hard to make
happen.

Even without a server agreement, ^ would make things 100x better.

P.S., mother-ef extended variance.

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Derubael]

Don't worry about what's hard to enforce and what's not. Come up with something ALL OF YOU can agree on, then we can talk about enforcement. I have some ideas on that I'm not ready to share yet.

Real negotiations take time, effort, and a little compromise.

If you guys haven't done this/started doing this already, I'd suggest officers start talking with their guild, get an idea of what their guild wants, and then getting with the officers of the other guilds to talk about what you all want to do moving forward from here.

[kotton05]

What about rotating outdoor dragons with a calendar, then keeping vs/trak/fear/hate the same race we all know, in order for a guild to get into outdoor dragon rotation must kill a contested vs/trak?

[Yinikren]

I've posted in my guild forums. The big issue I am seeing is that no guild will get on board with a plan that doesn't benefit them. I would like to think that my idea is the easiest way to get multiple guilds raiding. But, because TMO and probably FE would lose mobs over it (which they should have expected, but meh) neither of them would be on board. It'll be tough aligning the masses.

[CodyF86]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't worry about what's hard to enforce and what's not. Come up with something ALL OF YOU can agree on, then we can talk about enforcement. I have some ideas on that I'm not ready to share yet.

Real negotiations take time, effort, and a little compromise.

If you guys haven't done this/started doing this already, I'd suggest officers start talking with their guild, get an idea of what their guild wants, and then getting with the officers of the other guilds to talk about what you all want to do moving forward from here.

Well the good news is that there is definitely some good-willed negotiations going
on atm between the guilds, and I'm not even talking specifically about these threads.

i.e., Ella's request for guild leaders to contact him and to setup some vent talks,
in his thread below. Hopefully some good will emerge from it. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Aaradin
The A-Team

[Melissa]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't worry about what's hard to enforce and what's not. Come up with something ALL OF YOU can agree on, then we can talk about enforcement. I have some ideas on that I'm not ready to share yet.

Real negotiations take time, effort, and a little compromise.

If you guys haven't done this/started doing this already, I'd suggest officers start talking with their guild, get an idea of what their guild wants, and then getting with the officers of the other guilds to talk about what you all want to do moving forward from here.

some information would be nice from the GMs on within what boundaries people can discuss compromises. Top guilds want competition, other guilds just want a shot.

How far in coding are GMs willing to go so that people can make informed decisions? Are full repops on the table? Someone mentioned Tokens to spawn raid mobs...is that off the table? Basically a shitton of threads appeared cause everyone has an idea, but they have no clue what GM's are willing to allow.

Tell us how far we can go with the discussions then we can make better focused decisions together.

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about rotating outdoor dragons with a calendar, then keeping vs/trak/ct/PD the same race we all know, in order for a guild to get into outdoor dragon rotation must kill a contested vs/trak?

I agree with ya Merkk.
Something like that would be cool. They have to kill something contested to get in the rotation. Anything even not just trak / vs.
Hell I even am down to include everyone on RAID KILLS which is a longer list considering TMO is suspended and FE IB are passing out some mobs this week. If they want in a rotation? Than get a kill or show some work besides forum quest. No kills? Than kick rocks on your shot at rotation spot.
I am guessing you overlooked that poll?
Half the people are crying for 0 competition. YES 0. Meaning ALL mobs are rotated and giving new guilds a spot for rotation even if they have never competed or killed anything. Besides them forum questing.
An people think I am crazy for saying this is dumb^^

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What you don't like The A-Teams amazing kill of Noble Dojorn?

Grats on that lol but...
It is not even on the WHO KILLED DRAGONS
So really it does not count! ; )
But FE IB are going to be leaving A LOT of mobs up for 2+ hours this week.
If A-team cannot get a kill on that list during this easy week than...
still time , we will see.
Knights who say Nii have even stepped it up and are on the list.
Lets see what color named the A-Team gets! Get on that List!
Or have the Knights overrun ya in power? ooo

[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Melissa [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some information would be nice from the GMs on within what boundaries people can discuss compromises. Top guilds want competition, other guilds just want a shot.

How far in coding are GMs willing to go so that people can make informed decisions? Are full repops on the table? Someone mentioned Tokens to spawn raid mobs...is that off the table? Basically a shitton of threads appeared cause everyone has an idea, but they have no clue what GM's are willing to allow.

Tell us how far we can go with the discussions then we can make better focused decisions together.

Work off the assumption that nothing new will be coded in.

Use the tools you have available, the power of intelligent discussion and compromise is strong.

Realistically, I don't see a full on rotation getting agreed upon by all guilds. Even if we were to pretend that TMO's vote doesn't count (and it still does), I think you'd be hard pressed to get fe/ib to agree to something like that.

There's a middle ground in here somewhere that everyone will be able to agree on, just need to find it. I have full confidence that an agreement like this can be reached by the players, without the need for us to come in and say 'this is how it's gonna be'.

[Splorf22]

It was for a while! Fraud!

[Turp_SmokinPurp]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There's a middle ground in here somewhere that everyone will be able to agree on, just need to find it. I have full confidence that an agreement like this can be reached by the players, without the need for us to come in and say 'this is how it's gonna be'.

Agree there is a common ground everyone could agree on. But it also could go very bad because communication is low and no place to discuss this . This public forum is not the place IMO to setup something this big.
Maybe you or the guild leaders could arrange maybe a skype call between the top 3-4 guild leaders. I know TMO is leader absent the past week but we should hear something around 2014. An after a few discussions I am sure something good will come out of it for everyone even those not directly in the talk should benefit.