Proposition For Raid Rules - Input Requested

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Tegellan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Soo how many points does a fear or Hate clear cost? (These were taken away during the TMO raid suspension so they must be raids and there for cost points)

If your going to be doing this kind of stuff you have to also include the raids that the big guilds no longer consder raids. (Many low level guilds do these on scheduled "Raid nights")

So how many points are chardok royals? Drusilla in HS? Tola or Juggs? Maestro?
What defines a raid???

Forgot maestro!


I would consider any mob more than one guild mobilize for and race. Royals no due to spawn time. Tola and drusilla no for the same. Fear and hate clears are not for boss mobs. They are for equipment gearing of guilds.

Make judgement calls

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

150 points per month per guild

T1 Trak 30pts - VS 70 pts
T2 CT/Inny - 50 pts
T3 Gore/Tal/Sev/Hand/Noble/Fay - 30 pts
T4 Draco/Vox/Naggy - 15 pts

Nex/PD/Hosh/Druushk/Xygoz/SW - 10 per dragon

2 hours after spawn, mob worth 0 points(keeps mobs from staying up for no reason)

Kinda like that? If I'm getting this?

More points can be added when SoV drops with point values for those raid mobs?

So...VS at 70 points eh. Get what, two kills a month at that rate? I'd imagine VS would start to be killed by unguilded alts, seeing as he can be done with like 12 people.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by Yinikren [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What about a percentage bonus? Lets say two guilds want to team up and kill, say, Severilous. Both guilds get loot and both guilds get charged their points for killing sev. But, next week, because they worked together, both guilds are allocated an extra 25 points to spend because of goodwill. So if they joined raided each week, a guild could stay at a 125 point raid limit. Again, example numbers, but you see what I mean.

I specifially mean open roll raids. /shout Opem naggy raid pst to dude for more info. I subtracted 2 naggys and a vox a month out of the raid total for this... if you want to organize a talendor or whatever..thats on you

[Troubled]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So...VS at 70 points eh. Get what, two kills a month at that rate? I'd imagine VS would start to be killed by unguilded alts, seeing as he can be done with like 12 people.

2 kills a month, if you want to spend all your points on that. It's a 7 +-96, not exactly an every day thing. I'm looking for content not being monopolized. Remember, these guilds that have been doing it forever don't even need it, so why worry about it.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

150 points per month per guild

T1 Trak 30pts - VS 70 pts
T2 CT/Inny - 50 pts
T3 Gore/Tal/Sev/Hand/Noble/Fay - 30 pts
T4 Draco/Vox/Naggy - 15 pts

Nex/PD/Hosh/Druushk/Xygoz/SW - 10 per dragon

2 hours after spawn, mob worth 0 points(keeps mobs from staying up for no reason)

Kinda like that? If I'm getting this?

More points can be added when SoV drops with point values for those raid mobs?

Monthly would be wrong, weekly is the way to go.

Sky should stay the way it is, rotated and have no cost association.

VS and Trak should both have high values. VS(easy/great drops) Trak (great drops, access to VP) and both are epic mobs.

PD should have a high value, the same or higher than VS and Trak.

CT, INNY, Draco should have moderately high values. (draco that spawns with CT should be free if the guild who kills CT also kills Draco).

Kunark world dragons and VP dragons (not counting PD) should be equal value and relatively low value.

Naggy/Vox/Maestro should be the same or less than the kunark world dragons.


Raiding planes for gear will not cost anything, neither should royals.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Troubled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

150 points per month per guild

T1 Trak 30pts - VS 70 pts
T2 CT/Inny - 50 pts
T3 Gore/Tal/Sev/Hand/Noble/Fay - 30 pts
T4 Draco/Vox/Naggy - 15 pts

Nex/PD/Hosh/Druushk/Xygoz/SW - 10 per dragon

2 hours after spawn, mob worth 0 points(keeps mobs from staying up for no reason)

Kinda like that? If I'm getting this?

More points can be added when SoV drops with point values for those raid mobs?

What if after you kill a mob the points you would need to spend towards a kill of that mob would double if it's within the same month as the original kill, and if you tried for a 3rd kill of the same mob it would double again?

*edit* maybe instead of month, the same week?

[Tegellan]

You can do more for a guild by clearing hate and fear then by killing a dragon (think of how many members get upgrades per clear vs per dragon)


The only difference is that the planes have been out for a long time and as such.. are not perma farmed (the top guilds moved on and only go back occasionally)


The progression is: level up to 50 --> farm planar gear--> Kill outdoor dragons -->(This is where non Hard core guilds should stop till Velious is out) kill Gods --> kill Trak ---enter and kill VP

[Yinikren]

I like the points costs that Autotune has come up with, they are similar to mine and for the same reasons.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So...VS at 70 points eh. Get what, two kills a month at that rate? I'd imagine VS would start to be killed by unguilded alts, seeing as he can be done with like 12 people.

Thats one of my quibbles about a weighted system. TMO/fe/ib shouldn't be punished for going after something. Raid guilds need to raid. Most guilds arent raid guilds. Will they be in a new system? Maybe! But raid guilds do put effort in.

Time+effort=loot

This method just adds structure and cuts out anarchy in regards to assholery

[Yinikren]

And the doubling points costs is an interesting idea as well. I am liking this.

For points costs on tola, planes, drusilla, chardok royals, etc - no. Their spawn times by default means they can't be monopolized. Drusilla isn't even a raid target goobers. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]