Sebilis Crypt Camp

[Barkingturtle]

Dumb ruling.

Someone intent on camping a single mob should not be forced to clear other mobs if they don't want them. Requiring someone to kill mobs against their will is pretty much slavery.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dumb ruling.

Someone intent on camping a single mob should not be forced to clear other mobs if they don't want them. Requiring someone to kill mobs against their will is pretty much slavery.

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[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, lets be honest here, the real attraction to this thread is dualentity's classic ui [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Find a way to make this shit mandatory like the spell file.

Also, you should be allowed to camp just the hiero.

This, to me, is like saying "If you want the Lord, you gotta camp the AM too".

At least you aren't also requiring the emperor. So, I'm not too fired up bros.

Grey areas like Necrosis Scarab + Guardian doe... that's commonly accepted as "camped" even if you aren't pulling the guardian spawn for some reason.

[quido]

Derubael is overriding 2 years of standing rules here with that because he didn't know. Now that someone is telling him, I think it would be silly to make today's change stand.

It would be retarded to think that someone could goto an empty crypt, clear just hiero and duke for 5 hours, and then a group could show up and say "no this isn't yours anymore." Crypt has been handled as an anomaly for two years now; I don't know why it would change now except by accident.

1. You can claim all 4 rooms of the crypt and the roaming named without having to have someone on each spawn.

2. You can claim any portion of the crypt, leaving the rest to whoever wants it, if you arrive at it entirely unclaimed.

Pretty easy.

[Nirgon]

I knew you'd turn up in here you curly headed fuck!

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Derubael is overriding 2 years of standing rules here with that because he didn't know. Now that someone is telling him, I think it would be silly to make today's change stand.

Yeah, pretty sure this shit is gonna be overridden by the boss. It was a rookie mistake, but all will be forgiven. At least he wasn't using powers to try to ban people who were fighting his alt for seafuries (hi Cyrius!)

[dualentity]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Find a way to make this shit mandatory like the spell file

Haha, I wish that would happen if I can get it finished. Would be absolutely beautiful.

[quido]

Yeah honest mistake from Derubael - hopefully we can avoid too much confusion here.

[Derubael]

Here's the issue.

You can either call the "Crypt" (notice that players call it the 'Crypt Camp', not the heiro camp or the duke camp) one camp comprised of those four mobs, in which case you would need to demonstrate your ability to hold all four spawns at the same time. Or you can call it four separate camps, which may seem like a good idea at first, but let me give you an example of something I have seen happen on multiple occasions (and been called in to mediate this nightmare fuck of a situation):

PlayerA is sitting camping the heiro/duke, groupB comes in and wants to take duke, and so they claim that room by the camp rules. groupB also wants to go camp the other two rooms because its a full group and they don't want to sit in that one room. playerA takes that opportunity to call camp rules and demand that they stay in that one rooms spawn, because they can't hold multiple camps. Because the SECOND that group goes to clear those other two rooms, PlayerA who was there before is going to go "well i want to contest the rare spawn, you can't hold multiple camps, so pick one and stick with it".

Keep in mind that the common sense way to deal with this is to say "stop being dumb and let them clear the other three rooms", but there are so many rule lawyers on this server, and everyone wants to call foul when a guide/gm comes in and doesn't follow the rules laid out in the forums. The last thing our Guides need is more headaches.

That being said, if we were to make a new rule allowing the splitting of camps prior to another group and/or person coming in to claim the other portions of the camp, how do we define that? Can you just clear ONE spawn, or are you allowed to hold multiple if you were holding them before? Does this apply to ALL camps, or just certain camps? For example, if I'm sitting at the Mistmoore pond killing just one of the little two spawns in the corner, and a full group comes in and wants to kill those mobs, can I sit there and continue to kill those two mobs while they clear everything else? What happens if in the process of killing those two mobs I aggro other nearby mobs from the camp the other group is clearing around me? Am I allowed to kill those mobs to defend myself, or do I need to leave them for the group and let them kill me because I'm standing in the middle of a camp killing two mobs while the group kills the rest?

If it DOESNT apply to all 'camps' how do we define which camps it DOES apply to?

You guys see how complicated this is now? Help me out, I'm legitimately asking the community for input here.

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[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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