Monk Epic Fist... is it REALLY that good?

[Yaolin]

Funny none of you have actually looked at my post in the melee forum that actually states that the T-Staff is the best "viable" dps for most monks, only by about 2.2% better than Epic Fist/SoS combo, but that doesn't take into account the 240 dpm from T-Staff procs, so it is probably more like 5% better than Epic/SoS.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Yaolin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Funny none of you have actually looked at my post in the melee forum that actually states that the T-Staff is the best "viable" dps for most monks, only by about 2.2% better than Epic Fist/SoS combo, but that doesn't take into account the 240 dpm from T-Staff procs, so it is probably more like 5% better than Epic/SoS.

Yeah I've looked at your post. It's what caused me to purchase a Tstaff. Just can't seem to recreate it in game. Maybe that changes by 60.

[Iliilliill]

competent parses > voodoo math

[Lazie]

Uh in game parses the t-staff loses to dual wielding from my experience in EQ.

[Yaolin]

I have yet to see anyone ever actually post anything from GP with 100 fights against the same mob for both T-Staff and Epic/SoS. When you do that please let me know so that we can get a final answer. The difference is always going to be minor, if you average about 50 DPS on a mob with a T-staff, your DPS with a Epic/SoS if the math is correct will be around 49.2 DPS. If you're not parsing 100's of times on the same exact mob you will never be able to tell the difference. I've also heard of the fact that the lower the AC the mob the better 2H will do and the higher the AC the better 1H will do. T-Staff Proc alone add's 4.8% DPS if you are parsing at 70 dps without procs.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Yaolin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have yet to see anyone ever actually post anything from GP with 100 fights against the same mob for both T-Staff and Epic/SoS. When you do that please let me know so that we can get a final answer. The difference is always going to be minor, if you average about 50 DPS on a mob with a T-staff, your DPS with a Epic/SoS if the math is correct will be around 49.2 DPS. If you're not parsing 100's of times on the same exact mob you will never be able to tell the difference. I've also heard of the fact that the lower the AC the mob the better 2H will do and the higher the AC the better 1H will do.

I've ran the parser with both before. The Tstaff loses. Now this could obviously change depending on if your are tanking or purely dpsing from behind.

[Yaolin]

Can't argue with "I've ran it before and T-Staff loses." If you could show some actual back-up I'm sure everyone would love to see it so that we can put all arguments to rest.

[Lazie]

Originally Posted by Yaolin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't argue with "I've ran it before and T-Staff loses." If you could show some actual back-up I'm sure everyone would love to see it so that we can put all arguments to rest.

It's pretty easy to run yourself. Parsers are easy to come by. It has been awhile since I owned a t-staff (sold it after I parsed and saw which was superior). I didn't save those parse records from long ago. It was something I did because I felt mobs were dying slower when I used a t-staff and it confirmed they were. Download a parser. It becomes evident pretty quickly which of the 2 is superior on this server. Dual wield and double attack wins when combined with epic fist/SoS.

[Kutsumo]

Originally Posted by Yaolin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't argue with "I've ran it before and T-Staff loses." If you could show some actual back-up I'm sure everyone would love to see it so that we can put all arguments to rest.

I'm with you on this, but I'm not going to dedicate myself to longer parses yet as my level is probably skewing results. Would be nice to have a 60 do some parsing on a few priest of discord kills (with a pally tanking with stuns or something) for each weapon.

[Tiggles]

You monks and your "choices" I'll have my Ragebringer equipped throughout Velious.

No fuss no muss.