First to Engage: Exploiting the mechanic?

[quido]

heaven forbid

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I heard TMO lost a dragon to another guild tonight. EC chat exploded earlier.

TMO obviously dying guild.

[Fazlazen]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the single most retarded argument I have heard in regards to velious. The only reason that other guilds have not killed hoshkar is because of training; when VP was on rotation, IB had killed Hoshkar consistently with fewer people.

Hoshkar - or any 32k mob which you can just melt down with over 30 people - is not a standard in any way for velious content.

IB never killed the quadding beefed up old version of Hoshkar legit. They'd bug out the AoE then kill it.

[Jingleson]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO obviously dying guild.

TMO needs a bat signal in the sky, visible from EC.

[Luchino]

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this gem was posted moments after motec applied tmo a few months back.

[Elements]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh it's Ascention, the guy we geared out, then you disappeared for school, then come back and split for TMO.

Let's go ahead and clarify that ragefire. We turned in the pearl first, then we trained out the giants to get a force into the lair and we were of course trained during our engage. Then you and Nizzler decided to just run an engage on human form claiming that we somehow lost our right with 5 minutes left on the clock, then we rightfully engage the dragon after you spawned it only to BLATANTLY trained by the two giants at the door courtesy of you.

Then afterwords during your engage I could have blatantly trained your attempt but I'm not an asshole.
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Don't fucking play the victim, you didn't even know what happened. Have fun being a mindless soldier in TMO.

So just to clarify some of the fallacies in your rant:

1. Yes BDA handed in the pearl first, after steamrolling us with a train as we prepped for a hand in.
2. Your train out to get forces in clearly didn't work as your members can be seen in the fraps running all over the place with agro.
3. Trained during your initial human form engage: correct, you trained yourselves thereby wiping whereby human form becomes FFA FTE.
4. Yes Nizzler and I engage the FFA human form after BDA members trained us while trying to leapfrog us to spawn him and wiped, thereby making the mob FFA FTE. 5 minutes left doesnt matter once you wipe. see:

http://www.project1999.org/forums/sh...ad.php?t=14667

Q: What rules pertain to raid mobs that are triggered spawns?
A: If a raid mob is triggered to spawn by killing a single mob before it (Example: Statue -> Idol -> Avatar of War), the guild that spawned the mob has 20 minutes to engage it. The mob is open to any other guild on a first to engage basis once the first guild has either wiped or not engaged within the time limit. -Rogean-

5. You claim to rightfully engage the dragon? See rule above and:

Q: What if our raid is disrupted? What if our raid interferes with another raid?
A: Any non-consensual disturbance or meddling from a raid which leads to another raid being disrupted will result in very harsh punishments. Anyone involved in disruptions will be banned for 1 week with possible action against their guild's leadership. Second offenses will be 2 weeks. Further offenses will be permanent. It is the responsibility of the raid leaders to control their members. We strongly suggest that you avoid other raids while in a zone.

In the video BDA members can clearly be seen KSing human form and spawning the dragon (raid interferance). Since it was our engage, we had 20 minutes to engage dragon form but again BDA commits raid interference.

6. You claim I spawned it yet the video clearly shows Goldberg landed the killing blow.

7. You then claim we trained you with the fire giants at the door when the video clearly shows that the ragefire aoe fear is what causes BDA to agro the giants during our engage of the mob no less.

8. So after all of these hmm lies? fallacies? made up nonsense? you claim I don't know what happened? C'mon Chest.

Apologies for the low quality of the video. I am a fraps newb and a video making newb and a you tube newb. This is my first ever vid and it turned out kinda crappy but its still easy to see whats going on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q7mjIgXSjw0

[Llodd]

blah blah, it's all your fault, no it's all your fault, no it's all your fault, no it's all your fault ad infinitum.

No, it's all of you.

[Jarnauga]

gotta love the director's cut audio commentary on fraps

srsly ? rofl "yeah they trained us you don't see it but i say so"

Also the people saying that velious is gonna fix it all are the same people that said kunark was gonna fix the raid scene in classic because more mobs. i mean yeah thanks, we can all have a shot at phinigel now..

[knix]

Jarn , from now on, because of your sig, I am going to ask you for Spirit of the Wolf.

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[Elements]

Originally Posted by Jarnauga [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

gotta love the director's cut audio commentary on fraps

srsly ? rofl "yeah they trained us you don't see it but i say so"

I know right. Oh well, chalk one up to being a fraps newb.