Training in Veeshan's peak?

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Every dragon in vp dead that we had the people for the last few weeks.

The training is just stupid and annoying.

The training is fun; it adds an element of strategy to what would be otherwise dull encounters that pretty much everyone is capable of doing with 3-4 groups (add one for hosh possibly) that are not composed of Alartis.

That being said - it can and has been taken to extremes. A happy medium should be found; begging the GMs for this is probably not the way to do it. Why not reach out to the other guilds and offer them something if this training bothers you so much? Perhaps give them an opportunity to kill a dragon like Silverwing or Xygoz if they agree to leave you alone on PD and Druushk?

All I am saying is that players - instead of flaming eachother and playing forumquest - can easily fix these situations with a little give and take...

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait a minute, you're ALLOWED to deliberately train entire raid groups in high-level zones like VP and Planes? There's no rule against it?

Only in Veeshan's Peak on P99. There has not been an official word on Temple of Veeshan and Sleeper's Tomb, but for now the Planes are no train zones.

P99 does not follow the Non-CSR rule from live. On Live all of the planes, temple of veeshan, sleeper's tomb, and veeshan's peak were "Non-CSR" meaning they would not help you retrieve corpses (except for demonstrable game bugs), but the Play Nice policy was still in effect. People in the above linked thread contend that training was allowed in Veeshan's Peak on live, but no proof of any such activities has been presented that I recall from the gigantic thread.

[Jingleson]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Only in Veeshan's Peak on P99. There has not been an official word on Temple of Veeshan and Sleeper's Tomb, but for now the Planes are no train zones.

P99 does not follow the Non-CSR rule from live. On Live all of the planes, temple of veeshan, sleeper's tomb, and veeshan's peak were "Non-CSR" meaning they would not help you retrieve corpses (except for demonstrable game bugs), but the Play Nice policy was still in effect. People in the above linked thread contend that training was allowed in Veeshan's Peak on live, but no proof of any such activities has been presented that I recall from the gigantic thread.

Why is it allowed in VP though? Doesn't that constitute a form of griefing or harrassment? Should be prohibited either way.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The training is fun; it adds an element of strategy to what would be otherwise dull encounters that pretty much everyone is capable of doing with 3-4 groups (add one for hosh possibly) that are not composed of Alartis.

People didn't sign up on blue to get trained or killed by other people.

That being said - it can and has been taken to extremes. A happy medium should be found; begging the GMs for this is probably not the way to do it. Why not reach out to the other guilds and offer them something if this training bothers you so much? Perhaps give them an opportunity to kill a dragon like Silverwing or Xygoz if they agree to leave you alone on PD and Druushk?

All I am saying is that players - instead of flaming eachother and playing forumquest - can easily fix these situations with a little give and take...

You're assuming that both sides are comprised of rational people that are willing to negotiate without any intervention. A reasonable person might see better use for their time rather than spending a 12 hour stint in Veeshan's Peak "protecting" their guild's interest in waiting for a dragon to spawn. The type of person willing to spend hours and days training other people without a dragon even being activity engaged or attempted will just grind each other out for hours and days at a time. Until one side gives up. The disparity between wait it takes to kill a dragon in VP and wait it takes to disrupt a raid is quite large; 2-4 people can cause hundreds of person-hours of grief with very little effort when VP is populated with the appropriate wurm or dragon spawns.

[Tasslehofp99]

In my opinion, it takes/would take more skill to race/engage dragons in VP faster than the competition without training eachother.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it allowed in VP though? Doesn't that constitute a form of griefing or harrassment? Should be prohibited either way.

It most certainly does, but the GMs have decided that it is appropriate behavior since P99 does not use the Play Nice Policy or Non-CSR policy from Live, but a custom rule set.

I think of VP training and variance as a social experiment just for the staff to see how long groups of people are willing to sit in a spot waiting for a dragon or how many person-hours will be expended in the name of killing said dragon. Some days it only reason I can come up with for continuing to allow the behavior.

[Andervin]

Is it safe to assume that the proprietors of this server are in said elite guild[s]?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Jingleson [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait a minute, you're ALLOWED to deliberately train entire raid groups in high-level zones like VP and Planes? There's no rule against it?

The reasons the rules have been made this way is because of the nature of VP. The zone is dysfunctional and in a competitive manner it would be highly difficult to not train an opposing raid. This would lead to lots petitions over accidents or "accidents" which would result in the GM's picking and choosing what is an actual accident.
They basically decided to let it be open to avoid that.

[Fame]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

a little give and take...

Most on red are tops, maybe a few power bottoms, reach arounds just aint our thing nawmean?

[Jingleson]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It most certainly does, but the GMs have decided that it is appropriate behavior since P99 does not use the Play Nice Policy or Non-CSR policy from Live, but a custom rule set.

I think of VP training and variance as a social experiment just for the staff to see how long groups of people are willing to sit in a spot waiting for a dragon or how many person-hours will be expended in the name of killing said dragon. Some days it only reason I can come up with for continuing to allow the behavior.

I guess I'll be staying out of VP then. I'm more interested in seeing planar content anyway.

Alarti, if that's the case with VP, then why not just come to an agreement with opposing guilds that wish to run that content to set up a rotation, one guild gets it one week, another guild gets in the next week, and all other guilds stay out until it's their turn on the rotation? Wouldn't that alleviate some of the problems and give everyone a chance to get what they need from VP?