Dragon/Raid Mob Kills

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No this is a kite.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdKpxLpVL2A

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I seem to remember rogean ruled this as a non kite tho. LOL you didn't complain much about this one.

This was dealt with and FE got the loot back; the bard suspended for this was unsuspended. I still have the petition wherein Ephi initially suspended my bard and took the loot only to have Sirken overrule this and unsuspend my bard and return the loot. I can post the results, but I would prefer to have GM permission before doing this.

The reason this was ruled a non-kite was:

1. You did not have a sufficient force in zone to claim that you were ready to engage and we did;
2. It was still, regardless of path, within a perfectly reasonable time frame.

In the Talendor instance here:

1. You did not have a sufficient force in zone engage and we did;
2. It was outside of a reasonable timeframe.

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by maverixdamighty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sun was not up.

Couldnt see the moss on the trees.

[kotton05]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure if you're trolling right now. I know why Icewell died, but I'm not sure if you do. GM is looking into that right now also.

Most are not informed to this reason...

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I never said the dragon should have been there in 4 mins. The puller should have been. But he wasn't even in your camp since we tagged Tal when he was facing south west. Plus even as slow as Tal is, he should have been further than that.

Borsalino was in camp long before Tal was tagged by you.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This was dealt with and FE got the loot back; the bard suspended for this was unsuspended. I still have the petition wherein Ephi initially suspended my bard and took the loot only to have Sirken overrule this and unsuspend my bard and return the loot. I can post the results, but I would prefer to have GM permission before doing this.

The reason this was ruled a non-kite was:

1. You did not have a sufficient force in zone to claim that you were ready to engage and we did;
2. It was still, regardless of path, within a perfectly reasonable time frame.

In the Talendor instance here:

1. You did not have a sufficient force in zone engage and we did;
2. It was outside of a reasonable timeframe.

Lol was 15man ready to engage rule active then... NOPE !


Talendor
1. Incorrect
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Your own boy hitpoint agrees tal is slow and takes more than 4 mins to get to camp.

Messaging fail. Try again!

[kotton05]

Quit crying and quit afk tracking. Why must TMO raid interfere on our pulls, is this a final desperation attempt....

[Tanthallas]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Prove it

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Lol was 15man ready to engage rule active then... NOPE !


Talendor
1. Incorrect
2. Incorrect [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Your own boy hitpoint agrees tal is slow and takes more than 4 mins to get to camp.

Messaging fail. Try again!

A puller can easily get to the SF ramp in 4 minutes, while following close to the zone wall. That's all that I've said. If tal is following someone taking this path, then it will definitely take longer. If the pull is direct then I have no idea how long it would take. The "TMO's pull" map that you posted could very well take 4 mins.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Quit crying and quit afk tracking. Why must TMO raid interfere on our pulls, is this a final desperation attempt....

FE rage is building. Love it !

[IndianaJones]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regardless of intent, this is clearly a kite.

A major problem with how things are handled is adding subjective elements like intent. A time standard should be agreed upon and enforced.

There is no intent, only actions. As I showed in this case, the mob was pulled to NE corner then made a U-Turn. There is no situation where making this turn is correct.

Maybe TMO want to pull it to the center of the zone then was going to pull it to OT? but that doesn't make sense as it would just be delaying the time to engage.

They only had 2-3 mobs + Talendor, so there was no need to make some crazy split.

In this case there are only three options.

1) I am just lying about everything
2) They tried to delay the engage (Kite)
3) They got lost or moved camps, which I attest would still be a Kite by way of ignorance.

I have no idea what happened before with all the FTE/LDSK crap. The amount of time on the pull matters, but I wouldn't care if you were making your way to the camp with the dragon. I absolutely won't be sitting there with a stop watch counting seconds, but you can tell from the pull path that it is a clear delay.

All I saw was a puller going in one direction then making a U-turn and start pulling in a bizarre direction. A change in direction such as this has no purpose and provides clear proof of a delay to engage, either intentional or by accident.

Ruling this type of pull as acceptable sets, yet again, a bad precedent that will lead to more confusion and tomfoolery.