Serious lack of tanks here

[Swish]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

I had a troll SK to 43 here, then it got real quiet... LFG for hours, sent tells to people in COM/solb/Lower Guk etc. No dice.

The server has too many min/maxers...that's the problem with not enough tanks, and every man and his dog having a cleric main or alt. I'm part of the problem. Quit the tank and rolled a cleric to stop having so much lfg downtime. Cleric now the main.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

Aye, they're surprised that after leaving 3 tanks LFG for an extended period of time ("need DPS") now there're none available.

No groups for me ("we have a tank, need more dps")? fine I'll solo an alt. Want my alt's name? sorry nope, I'm not your servant to come running at your beck and call.

[Elerion]

Originally Posted by Elerion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I'm sure there are tons of /anon plate tanks leveling up. All that whining for buffs and ports gets annoying, and they don't want tells for groups anyway.

Oh wait.

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

said the person who can not see through /anon, to the person that actually can see through /anon

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Count looks through anon, doesn't it?

So, let's check. 573 players online, of which 205 between 20 and 50.

/who all warrior 20 50? 10 guys
/who all warrior 20 50 count? 12 guys

/who all shad 20 50? 8 guys
/who all shad 20 50 count? 10 guys

/who all paladin 20 50? 5 guys
/who all paladin 20 50 count? 5 guys

So out of 27 plate tanks online between level 20 and 50, 4 of them were anon. That's 15% of them.

Some other classes in the same level range?
Clerics? 11 visible, 17 total. 35% anon.
Druids? 17 visible, 31 total. 45% anon.
Wizards? 8 visible, 12 total. 33% anon.
Shamans? 15 visible, 21 total. 29% anon.

When you get into prime raiding levels, you'll obviously see a lot of anon tanks. But while leveling up, my point stands up to scrutiny.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

I had a troll SK to 43 here, then it got real quiet... LFG for hours, sent tells to people in COM/solb/Lower Guk etc. No dice.

The server has too many min/maxers...that's the problem with not enough tanks, and every man and his dog having a cleric main or alt. I'm part of the problem. Quit the tank and rolled a cleric to stop having so much lfg downtime. Cleric now the main.

People make way too big of a deal about the exp penalty. the SK/Pally tank is going to get you more experience than sitting around without one that is for sure, not to mention that their ability to hold aggro against almost anything helps enormously in the long run with more kills, less deaths and if played well less downtime.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by ncapatina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I've never run into that issue...if a group is a good one you're usually waiting on pulls at some point after massacring everything you can find. I can't think of too many spots where you could be a solid DPS group with good tanking/healing and pull every 10 seconds indefinitely, but I'm only into my 30s at this point and people are just better at playing video games than they were 13 years ago so maybe I'm wrong.

Wait to you get to KC. If you are a puller you had better be pulling you ass off all the time or you are out. It IS non stop killing in there. CoM is no better either. It is a whole new game high level. You are lucky to have time to take a piss.

[Morningbreath]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

I had a troll SK to 43 here, then it got real quiet... LFG for hours, sent tells to people in COM/solb/Lower Guk etc. No dice.

Something the P99 devs don't seem to be accounting for is the player knowledge this time around. Players are using strats and have years of parsing to work around some of the old conventions in classic EQ that they hadn't figured out in the original Kunark timeline.

That's evident with all the monk tanking going on. I see alot more charming in groups than I ever saw on Live during this era. There were no swarm-kiting bards. Newbie rogues carrying epics. Players eventually figured out that +HP gear and high DPS could lessen or even eliminate the need for plate tanks and that understanding is in full force today on P99.

Back in the day it got to where healers wouldn't move a muscle until a plate tank showed up. You didn't monkey around with pets or DPS melee as tanks. You just sat there until a real tank got there.

The P99 devs can do whatever they want obviously but most people probably aren't aware that spider silk stacking didn't happen until after Luclin launched. And yet silk stacking is in the game right now! That's just one example of the patch timeline being "broken" by the P99 devs and it's high time they remove the hybrid exp penalty as well.

Do it already!

[SamwiseRed]

pets > tanks

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Morningbreath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The P99 devs can do whatever they want obviously but most people probably aren't aware that spider silk stacking didn't happen until after Luclin launched. And yet silk stacking is in the game right now! That's just one example of the patch timeline being "broken" by the P99 devs and it's high time they remove the hybrid exp penalty as well.

Do it already!

I'm not sure you should be equating these things. Spider silk isn't classic so let's abolish hybrid penalties!

I'm also not sure that you're wrong. Exp penalty is major reason not to roll hybrid tanks.

[Morningbreath]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not sure you should be equating these things. Spider silk isn't classic so let's abolish hybrid penalties!

I'm also not sure that you're wrong. Exp penalty is major reason not to roll hybrid tanks.

The P99 devs' logic is inconsistent. If you're going to cherrypick and include patches like spider silk stacking or being able to buy full stacks of items from merchants when those changes didn't go in until AFTER Luclin, how can you justify keeping hybrid exp penalties just because they were removed during the Velious era?

The hybrid exp penalty was removed in January 2001, less than 2 years after the game launched and during EQ's "golden" era.

At that time, Dark Age of Camelot was in production and the developers had already announced that there would be no hybrid exp penalties in that game. The EQ Live team magically came to their senses and followed suit almost immediately.

[Barahir]

Originally Posted by Elerion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Count looks through anon, doesn't it?

So, let's check. 573 players online, of which 205 between 20 and 50.

/who all warrior 20 50? 10 guys
/who all warrior 20 50 count? 12 guys

/who all shad 20 50? 8 guys
/who all shad 20 50 count? 10 guys

/who all paladin 20 50? 5 guys
/who all paladin 20 50 count? 5 guys

So out of 27 plate tanks online between level 20 and 50, 4 of them were anon. That's 15% of them.

Some other classes in the same level range?
Clerics? 11 visible, 17 total. 35% anon.
Druids? 17 visible, 31 total. 45% anon.
Wizards? 8 visible, 12 total. 33% anon.
Shamans? 15 visible, 21 total. 29% anon.

When you get into prime raiding levels, you'll obviously see a lot of anon tanks. But while leveling up, my point stands up to scrutiny.

Why didn't you list the rangers that were everywhere?