Game Mechanics: Blacksmithing Trivals

[Vega]

I think that's right. It might not be what you want to hear, but it does seem from those links like maybe the fine plate needs to be changed aswell.

Nilbog, this actually brings up a question I had while thinking about this thread. I've only been on the server for a year or so. But I remember when I first started, looking at the wiki and how under blacksmithing they even have separate columns for p99 trivial vs classic trivial. I always assumed this issue had been brought up in a bug report before, but it had just never gone through for one reason or another. Is this really the first bug report thread made on the subject?

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think that's right. It might not be what you want to hear, but it does seem from those links like maybe the fine plate needs to be changed aswell.

Nilbog, this actually brings up a question I had while thinking about this thread. I've only been on the server for a year or so. But I remember when I first started, looking at the wiki and how under blacksmithing they even have separate columns for p99 trivial vs classic trivial. I always assumed this issue had been brought up in a bug report before, but it had just never gone through for one reason or another. Is this really the first bug report thread made on the subject?

Not sure. Developers do not read or edit the wiki, so it's probably unreported bug issues. I don't think any of us know a lot about tradeskills, so we fix these as they are reported.

Looks like next patch will include substantial blacksmithing nerfs.

Fine plate:

fine plate collar 166 -> 182
fine plate bracer 168 -> 208
fine plate girdle 168 -> 228
fine plate boots 168 -> 228
fine plate vambraces 175 -> 228
fine plate pauldron 168 -> 222
fine plate gauntlets 175 -> 235
fine plate greaves/bp 182 -> 228
fine plate helm 179 -> 188
cloak 175 -> 222
visor 168 -> 195

edit: also these shields:

round shield 68 -> 115
targ shield 79 -> 135
kite shield 82 -> 155
tower shield 88 -> 175
buckler shield 62 -> 82

[kaev]

LOL, those aren't nerfs, they're enhancements! Skilling Blacksmithing was annoyingly expensive here with the low banded & fineplate trivials, but I couldn't recall when they had changed on live and wasn't really motivated to research the question since everybody was working with the same limitations anyway. This will be very cool if/when a server synced to classic timeline is opened.

[nilbog]

Pending update,

Ornate, Fine Plate, and shield trivials increased.

Ornate electrum, gold, and platinum chain recipes disabled.

Existing pieces of Ornate Electrum, Gold, and Platinum armors will be converted to regular Ornate chain pieces of the corresponding sizes.

[Ravhin]

Originally Posted by Vega [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

...looking at the wiki and how under blacksmithing they even have separate columns for p99 trivial vs classic trivial. I always assumed this issue had been brought up in a bug report before, but it had just never gone through for one reason or another. Is this really the first bug report thread made on the subject?

While researching all this blacksmithing content for the wiki I discovered these discrepancies (that almost all trivials on p99 were set to "modern" values and that these were obviously different than they had been in classic).

I never put in a huge bug report on all these because, as Nilbog says, these numbers are very hard to track down and I wasn't 100% sure about anything (also you can see many of these numbers are upper limits/lower limits/uncertain in some way).

Looking briefly, it seems that the new numbers mentioned in this post agree with the "classic trivials" column from the wiki.

In general I would then say that this is just the tip of the iceberg, you can see (especially in cultural blacksmithing) that there are probably a few hundred more trivials that could use updating.

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Ravhin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In general I would then say that this is just the tip of the iceberg, you can see (especially in cultural blacksmithing) that there are probably a few hundred more trivials that could use updating.

Agreed.

If we can get some interest in this, I'm willing to query what the existing trivials are, and post those up for comparison. Need a list of items.

[Vandy]

Are the trivials just the defaults from the peq database?

[olderj]

It appears that the trivials for "small" size banded mail are still at their pre-update values. I did not check "large".

Huffle

[Vandy]

Originally Posted by olderj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It appears that the trivials for "small" size banded mail are still at their pre-update values. I did not check "large".

Huffle

Looks like only the normal size versions trivial was changed.

'small banded belt', 'small banded boots', 'small banded bracer', 'small banded cloak', 'small banded gauntlets', 'small banded gorget', 'small banded helm', 'small banded leggings', 'small banded mail', 'small banded mantle', 'small banded mask', 'small banded sleeves', 'large banded belt', 'large banded boots', 'large banded bracer', 'large banded cloak', 'large banded gauntlets', 'large banded gorget', 'large banded helm', 'large banded leggings', 'large banded mail', 'large banded mantle', 'large banded mask', 'large banded sleeves'


3083	large banded belt	95
3088	large banded boots	95
3085	large banded bracer	95
3082	large banded cloak	102
3089	large banded gauntlets	102
3079	large banded gorget	92
3077	large banded helm	106
3087	large banded leggings	108
3080	large banded mail	115
3081	large banded mantle	95
3078	large banded mask	90
3084	large banded sleeves	102
3071	small banded belt	95
3076	small banded boots	95
3073	small banded bracer	95
3070	small banded cloak	102
3074	small banded gauntlets	102
3067	small banded gorget	92
3065	small banded helm	106
3075	small banded leggings	108
3068	small banded mail	115
3069	small banded mantle	95
3066	small banded mask	90
3072	small banded sleeves	102

[nilbog]

Originally Posted by Vandy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are the trivials just the defaults from the peq database?

No. It will be for some.. but after 4 years, no :T

Originally Posted by olderj [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It appears that the trivials for "small" size banded mail are still at their pre-update values. I did not check "large".

Huffle

Fixed, pending update.