Senate Foreign Relations Committee votes to give President Obama the power to launch

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

try *to* find out why the above statement is unintentionally hilarious

I meant exactly what I said. They're inherently uncontrollable. A vague locational target does not satisfy any degree of "control" within the context of weapons delivery. Your false dichotomy between "controlled" and utterly random is ridiculous.

Whatever though, you're boring me. Your opinions are flatly illogical and instead of defending them, you're getting offended and throwing out insults

I'll take it that by turning to grammar nazism, you've conceded the argument. Good game, sir.

[aowen]

I do hate Israel, not all of the people in it, but certainly their policies and political officials. And if here you want to define bigotry as hating someone for the opinion that it's ok to kill and oppress people and steal land, yes I am bigoted against that opinion, because it's fucking insane and stupid.

Hmm, I wonder why we would need to give aid to the countries we fucked up? I am sure if you look at the allocation of said aid it would not be equal across the board. A bigger factor would be that what the aid is for. There is a big difference between military aid and the sharing of weapons (Israel), and aid meant for development and feeding people peanut paste. Israel just bought a bunch of choppers etc from us, essentially with our own money. Don't whitewash foreign aid, it makes you sound misinformed. Also, tons of money is funneled to Israel through sources outside the government. Little of this is relevant however, other than you saying we support other countries in the same way we support Israel, which is the stupidest counter-argument I have had the displeasure of hearing.

And to answer your hypothetical, I am sure many would be willing to do something like that. However, do you think I would agree with that decision? Do you think I agree with our funding of Mubarak, Saddam in the 80s, or any of the other crazies we fund?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Stinkum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and stop saying that pakistan is in the middle east, this is probably the 3rd or 4th post you've said that in this thread. cringeworthy man, pakistan is in south asia, not even remotely close..

or are all brown people the same to you?

pakistan literally borders afghanistan and iran and is playing a major role in the conflict in afghanistan. clearly a part of the regional landscape even if you want to classify it as South Asia, which isn't inaccurate.

but yeah bordering nation "not even remotely close"

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by aowen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I do hate Israel, not all of the people in it, but certainly their policies and political officials. And if here you want to define bigotry as hating someone for the opinion that it's ok to kill and oppress people and steal land, yes I am bigoted against that opinion, because it's fucking insane and stupid.

Hmm, I wonder why we would need to give aid to the countries we fucked up? I am sure if you look at the allocation of said aid it would not be equal across the board. A bigger factor would be that what the aid is for. There is a big difference between military aid and the sharing of weapons (Israel), and aid meant for development and feeding people peanut paste. Israel just bought a bunch of choppers etc from us, essentially with our own money. Don't whitewash foreign aid, it makes you sound misinformed. Also, tons of money is funneled to Israel through sources outside the government. Little of this is relevant however, other than you saying we support other countries in the same way we support Israel, which is the stupidest counter-argument I have had the displeasure of hearing.

And to answer your hypothetical, I am sure many would be willing to do something like that. However, do you think I would agree with that decision? Do you think I agree with our funding of Mubarak, Saddam in the 80s, or any of the other crazies we fund?

in terms of military aid, israel ranks 2nd behind afghanistan, who got $10 billion. israel just under 3. egypt 1.3. and even still, it hardly seems fair to disqualify economic aid when you're talking about "support". the point is that we throw billions at lots of bad guys. whether it's used to subjugate or keep the masses in check, either way it's going toward ugly regimes that do ugly things.

and the alternative is withdrawing support. that might sound good on the surface, but then what? that support is our in. egypt has to at least consider our opinion because they're on the payroll. eliminate that carrot and egypt doesn't disappear, they just stop giving a shit about what america thinks

[aowen]

Hahaha, I just looked down at the breakdown for foreign aid, nonplussed to say the least. Pathetic analysis. Military in Afghanistan and Iraq both got substantial packages for obvious reasons, namely so we can leave. Egypt got military funding (whoopsies now) in 2011 because it was the interim government, the other places primarily got development funding. Israel doesn't have stability problems, it has a dick-in-ass problem. You sound like a Reaganesque General ripper zero-sum realist billiard ball theory concert of europe crazy fuck. Why don't you go genuflect to the trinity of Kenneth Waltz, Hobbes, and Kissinger.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'll take it that by turning to grammar nazism, you've conceded the argument. Good game, sir.

it's not grammar nazism when you're condescendingly recommending precision of language as you make third grade grammatical errors

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

eliminate that carrot and egypt doesn't disappear, they just stop giving a shit about what america thinks

Not trying to troll here, but why should they give a shit about what America thinks anyway? Shouldn't they do what's in the best interest of their people?

[Stinkum]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

pakistan literally borders afghanistan and iran and is playing a major role in the conflict in afghanistan. clearly a part of the regional landscape even if you want to classify it as South Asia, which isn't inaccurate.

but yeah bordering nation "not even remotely close"

so let me get this straight

because pakistan borders afghanistan (which is also NOT a middle eastern country) and iran is involved in afghanistan makes pakistan a middle eastern country?

this is literally the stupidest single thing i have ever read on this forum

i am cringing for you

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not trying to troll here, but why should they give a shit about what America thinks anyway? Shouldn't they do what's in the best interest of their people?

theoretically, of course. but that's obviously not how the world works. "aid" is really just buying influence. in critical regions, we buy as much as we can. israel just more readily sells influence than most of the region

[aowen]

You can totally tell this guy is sold on American exceptionalism, and views us as the metropole of the great empire. Let me point out something, we lost our strongman in Egypt, and while they are in the midst of trying to get their shit together, I can assure you that they don't give a fuck what we think.

Your breakdown of aid is thoughtless. We are trying to setup governments in Afghanistan and Iraq so we dont have to have our own military keep the peace, why you would link our funds towards the two countries we started wars in with another separate one that is holding steady and using it to go against our wishes is a just a testament to your lack of understanding. See, when you fund a country to set something up, or for development, or humanitarian aid, it is different than funding an established government which signifies support for the current status quo. And seeing as 2.99 billion of the 3 billion went to the Israeli military, have a reasonable think about it.