Silly Poll (SZ Style Teams)

[SamwiseRed]

Evils starting to show their faces. Intredasting

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixing R99 and then releasing the T99 6 months after velious makes the most sense.

Why would you wait half a year to release a server people want now? No matter how many fixes you make to red it will never thrive, repeat, it's never going to thrive. Red is what it is, it's max is 160 pop, nothing more than that and velious will only exasperate the gear differential and make fighting nihilum impossible. Since we all agree a wipe is bad, a fresh server is the best of both worlds.

Team99 will attract a different brand of player moreso than take away from reds player base. It's attracting people who never were going to try red99 regardless of clickies or resists, and you're seeing this born out by the flux of new posters here and on the blue forums. I know you only rolled here when the server already was down the shitter, making its final circle down the sewage drain, so you prolly still have that rose tinted glasses optimism I had once, "if only they do x red will thrive," they've done x 100 times over here: global ooc, YT, boosted xp rates, remove exp loss from deaths, etc., now we are hearing just fix clickies / resists / variance and red will thrive. When are people going to realize this server is never going to thrive, the dream is dead, it doesn't mean some fun times can't be had occasionally, but the dream of 400+ concurrent pop will never occur here.

Bring on team99 and no merge plz.


Edit: I got plenty of play invested on red99, I'd much rather see the server thrive than a new server, believe me. But I'm also a jew and a realist, and two years in I know it's just not going to happen.

[SamwiseRed]

Teams 99, it was just a dream 2 years ago as people trolled me. All worth it pras. I went full retard on red99 once with a good aligned diety based guild. Now I get to do this for real. Expect a lot of sock from me.

[Bogart]

Originally Posted by SamwiseRed [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Teams 99, it was just a dream 2 years ago as people trolled me. All worth it pras. I went full retard on red99 once with a good aligned diety based guild. Now I get to do this for real. Expect a lot of sock from me.

I'm so happy for you.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why would you wait half a year to release a server people want now? No matter how many fixes you make to red it will never thrive, repeat, it's never going to thrive. Red is what it is, it's max is 160 pop, nothing more than that and velious will only exasperate the gear differential and make fighting nihilum impossible. Since we all agree a wipe is bad, a fresh server is the best of both worlds.

Team99 will attract a different brand of player moreso than take away from reds player base. It's attracting people who never were going to try red99 regardless of clickies or resists, and you're seeing this born out by the flux of new posters here and on the blue forums. I know you only rolled here when the server already was down the shitter, making its final circle down the sewage drain, so you prolly still have that rose tinted glasses optimism I had once, "if only they do x red will thrive," they've done x 100 times over here: global ooc, YT, boosted xp rates, remove exp loss from deaths, etc., now we are hearing just fix clickies / resists / variance and red will thrive. When are people going to realize this server is never going to thrive, the dream is dead, it doesn't mean some fun times can't be had occasionally, but the dream of 400+ concurrent pop will never occur here.

Bring on team99 and no merge plz.


Edit: I got plenty of play invested on red99, I'd much rather see the server thrive than a new server, believe me. But I'm also a jew and a realist, and two years in I know it's just not going to happen.

They haven't done x 100 times. They've put bandaids on a server dismembered by bugs, bad resists and an image of neglect. Soon as devs actually start talking and saying things are going to get fixed, the population starts to climb. Were they actually to fix these issues and announce Velious in the coming months, population would no less than double.

Also, you don't want a merge because you have unlimited free time to play video games, while many people, including the neckbeards in Nihilum, do not. The other reasons you don't want a merge are obvious, you intend to go all in on t99 with a different team and you don't want Nihilum's past progress to stand in your way down the line.

Lets be real here.

[heartbrand]

I don't want a merge because it makes no logical sense for EITHER server. If you're a blue player who thinks teams is fun and then it merged into a FFA red99 server six months down the road are you going to stay? Does it make sense to merge them into our VP geared chars with our cohesive unit to get slaughtered? Those people are probably quitting. If you merge red99 into team99 you're completely killing the balance of team99. I can't think of a single logical argument to merge the two other than rogean doesn't want to pay for it. To ascribe other reasons to it is ludicrous.

I completely disagree with your assessment about velious and fixes, and if you recall, you made a similar assessment about Kunark which I disagreed with, and who turned out to be right on that one? Now in all fairness there were no fixes with that launch but you never attached fixes to the pop boost you claimed Kunark would bring. Red99 is just not an attractive option to most people. I've made thread after thread, post after post, in the blue forums, those people just aren't interested in FFA pvp regardless of how classic resists are here. They don't care they're getting cock blocked by TMO and could reroll here to contest for pixels. Teams is a completely different story, which again is why merging is retarded, and could jeopardize the health of the new server

My position for the longest time has been red needed fresh blood to ever thrive, not the return of the same 60 people who will burn out again, which is exactly what will happen a couple of months after velious. Since rogean and nilbog completely shot down the idea of blue transfers, and since I severely underestimated the desire by blue players for a team server, I truly believe this is the way to go.

Edit: I have no intention of "going hard" team99. I could never endure raiding VP on two servers at once or anything like that or even leveling to 60 again to be quite honest. What I do want is a chance to fuck around in classic where there's 30 people in every zone again and have a blast just pvping while talking sports and other things in a relaxed atmosphere. If anything my future on team99 is completely dependent upon the ultimate look and rules as well as timing, as I'm expecting a second child in December. If it launches then I may very well never even roll on team99, but that doesn't mean I still don't believe a merge is retarded, certainly one that's team99 to red99.

[Colgate]

Originally Posted by Dullah [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

They haven't done x 100 times. They've put bandaids on a server dismembered by bugs, bad resists and an image of neglect. Soon as devs actually start talking and saying things are going to get fixed, the population starts to climb. Were they actually to fix these issues and announce Velious in the coming months, population would no less than double.

Also, you don't want a merge because you have unlimited free time to play video games, while many people, including the neckbeards in Nihilum, do not. The other reasons you don't want a merge are obvious, you intend to go all in on t99 with a different team and you don't want Nihilum's past progress to stand in your way down the line.

Lets be real here.

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[Dullah]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I completely disagree with your assessment about velious and fixes, and if you recall, you made a similar assessment about Kunark which I disagreed with, and who turned out to be right on that one?

I did, and you know it.

r99 was at like 30 players when I said population would be well over 100. Not only did it hit 150 almost immediately, it climbed to over 200 for weeks not long ago. That was without even fixing most of the major issues, and introducing new bugs along the way.

[heartbrand]

Red99 was experiencing a semi boost before Kunark with Vae Victus. Samwise had the pop steadily rising and Kunark brought a large number of nihilum members back. Like all new content in every MMO, pop went up for a bit as people grinded 60 and new shinies but it was still a deserted waste land. How much pvp was there in Kunark those opening weeks? You all were in city of mist and Sebilis while we were in KC. I couldn't even find a cleric to group with or an enchanter the vast majority of time. I used sharlen and a paladin to heal me for the majority of Kunark. You even admitted it did not lead to the boost you thought it would.

I am not claiming velious and fixes wouldn't boost the pop here, certainly it would. But by how much? Shouldn't the goal be not to hit 200, which for velious is incredibly low especially considering 40-50 of those would be us, but to hit 350-400? Team99 has the possibility to do that, whereas I personally don't believe red99 ever has a shot at reaching that.

Personally, I don't think any of this matters. I've seen how decisions have been made around here in the last and I'm beyond skeptical that this launch will A) even happen B) make any sense C) bugs being fixed before its too late, etc.

[Dullah]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Red99 was experiencing a semi boost before Kunark with Vae Victus. Samwise had the pop steadily rising and Kunark brought a large number of nihilum members back. Like all new content in every MMO, pop went up for a bit as people grinded 60 and new shinies but it was still a deserted waste land. How much pvp was there in Kunark those opening weeks? You all were in city of mist and Sebilis while we were in KC. I couldn't even find a cleric to group with or an enchanter the vast majority of time. I used sharlen and a paladin to heal me for the majority of Kunark. You even admitted it did not lead to the boost you thought it would.

I am not claiming velious and fixes wouldn't boost the pop here, certainly it would. But by how much? Shouldn't the goal be not to hit 200, which for velious is incredibly low especially considering 40-50 of those would be us, but to hit 350-400? Team99 has the possibility to do that, whereas I personally don't believe red99 ever has a shot at reaching that.

It tripled, if not quadrupled the population in the months following kunark. I might have thought it would have gone up more suddenly, but I can't imagine why I'd have ever said it didn't boost it like I thought it would.