Bard swarm kiting that kills other players

[Aviann]

I got threatened to get suspended when I began popping fireworks in front of a bard that had got me killed by running over the safe area near OT.

Also got threatened for looting all of the corpses when they were letting them rot.


Those guys were assholes and deserved it.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by Aviann [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I got threatened to get suspended when I began popping fireworks in front of a bard that had got me killed by running over the safe area near OT.

Also got threatened for looting all of the corpses when they were letting them rot.


Those guys were assholes and deserved it.

Noone can stop you looting rotting corpses. It's in the game by design. Just do it. I really doubt any GM is going to suspend you for fighting back if they are being disruptive too... they like to cry like little babies in /ooc when people threaten it though (as a fellow Bard I can mess with them easily, and pretty much with impunity). Honestly, if they are getting people killed and being arrogant about it, I'd have no problem fear-bombing them into oblivion.

OT I can understand a bit, as it's now a "kiting" zone and so huge, and fairly easy to stay out of the way as a group (which should be fighting on the walls anyway). But in DL it's just obnoxious. Pulling huge swarms of blue and red mobs over groups fighting against the castle walls and then denying any culpability when things inevitably go wrong is griefing pure and simple. I don't know for certain, but Sirken takes a very dim view of any sort of training (he hates it), and I don't think they'd get much sympathy from him if things were to *cough* backfire.

[Trouble]

Now you are all talking about intentional disruption and griefing as a way of fighting back on an innocent person trying to get exp.

Bards are the heroes of the server.

[fastboy21]

yeah....poor bards. QQ

[Aviann]

no.

[Weekapaug]

The problem isn't with bards, aoe kiting (not the same as "swarming" kind of a peeve of mine), or with how aggro works. The problem is with douchebags and we have those in droves here.

Always have a couple of options in mind for where you are going to be levelling with a given toon at a given level, because 8 out of 10 times you are settled into a zone, some douche nozzle will show up and fuck it up for you. You have to get past worrying about it and move to option B or C. I don't care if you are 50 in a group crawling a dungeon, chances are some farmer will move ahead and cherry pick the nameds or if you are level 5 in Crushbone, some epiced fungi wearing alt will solo everything while 2 groups sit there and watch.

There are very nice respectful people here. But we have a higher population of complete nutsacks than you would have found on any server live. In EQ, and gaming in general, calling someone a "noob" is the holy grail of insults, for some reason. I actually like noobs. It's the lamer poons, I can't stand. In surfing we call them "kooks." It has nothing to do be with being a noob or how well you surf, but how you behave. The greatest surfer in the world can still be a kook if he drops in on people or acts like an idiot in or out of the water. In gaming terms, lamers. The kind of people who will monopolize a zone doing whatever it is they want to do, be it PLing, soloing a tricked out alt, and yes, aoe kiting with a bard....All of which is entirely legitimate play and I do it sometimes too....Just not primetime on a weekend in a crowded zone. Whatever it is THEY want to do at a given time takes a higher priority than what x number of full groups of people at the appropriate level for the zone want to do, apparently. These are the kind of people who will train people out of a zone because they think the raid mob they are after gives them priority. And just because they can. It's just basic inconsiderate behavior and it goes on constantly in all forms, at all levels here. Because this server has a higher proportion of douchebags than a live server ever had.

Just accept that this server is packed with a disproportionate amount of assholes and have a plan in mind for alternatives because they are unaviodable here and you will be a lot happier playing here.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Weekapaug [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem isn't with bards, aoe kiting (not the same as "swarming" kind of a peeve of mine), or with how aggro works. The problem is with douchebags and we have those in droves here.

Always have a couple of options in mind for where you are going to be levelling with a given toon at a given level, because 8 out of 10 times you are settled into a zone, some douche nozzle will show up and fuck it up for you. You have to get past worrying about it and move to option B or C. I don't care if you are 50 in a group crawling a dungeon, chances are some farmer will move ahead and cherry pick the nameds or if you are level 5 in Crushbone, some epiced fungi wearing alt will solo everything while 2 groups sit there and watch.

There are very nice respectful people here. But we have a higher population of complete nutsacks than you would have found on any server live. In EQ, and gaming in general, calling someone a "noob" is the holy grail of insults, for some reason. I actually like noobs. It's the lamer poons, I can't stand. In surfing we call them "kooks." It has nothing to do be with being a noob or how well you surf, but how you behave. The greatest surfer in the world can still be a kook if he drops in on people or acts like an idiot in or out of the water. In gaming terms, lamers. The kind of people who will monopolize a zone doing whatever it is they want to do, be it PLing, soloing a tricked out alt, and yes, aoe kiting with a bard....All of which is entirely legitimate play and I do it sometimes too....Just not primetime on a weekend in a crowded zone. Whatever it is THEY want to do at a given time takes a higher priority than what x number of full groups of people at the appropriate level for the zone want to do, apparently. These are the kind of people who will train people out of a zone because they think the raid mob they are after gives them priority. And just because they can. It's just basic inconsiderate behavior and it goes on constantly in all forms, at all levels here. Because this server has a higher proportion of douchebags than a live server ever had.

Just accept that this server is packed with a disproportionate amount of assholes and have a plan in mind for alternatives because they are unaviodable here and you will be a lot happier playing here.

true. but one of the of the things that always intrigued me about EQ (more so than other MMOs) is that certain real life personalities are drawn to certain classes in game. Bards have always seemed to be packed with a certain stereo-typically "bard" personality. Its not necessarily just negative either.

[musashi1612]

I played a bard for 7 years on live and i will tell you this next the the cramps in my hands and the cricks in my neck Bards are ok one very big difference is the AoE kiting Vs Swarm kiting. Swarm Kiting has always been a safer method to kiting for the bard and others. AoE kiting has the chance to backfire and erupt into zone wide panic. Maybe it shouldnt be Bard AoE kiting kills other players,Yet Bard swarm kiting does not work right? the charm is ineffective at generating the agro needed to perform the higher lvl bard kiting it does need to be fixed it is classic.

[mreynert]

Originally Posted by musashi1612 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I played a bard for 7 years on live and i will tell you this next the the cramps in my hands and the cricks in my neck Bards are ok one very big difference is the AoE kiting Vs Swarm kiting. Swarm Kiting has always been a safer method to kiting for the bard and others. AoE kiting has the chance to backfire and erupt into zone wide panic. Maybe it shouldnt be Bard AoE kiting kills other players,Yet Bard swarm kiting does not work right? the charm is ineffective at generating the agro needed to perform the higher lvl bard kiting it does need to be fixed it is classic.

Correct, what people refer to commonly as "swarm" on this server is what I knew as AOE kiting, and what I personally call swarm kiting (get a swarm of mobs, charm one, sic it on something, have them beat it down, break charm, kill it, repeat) doesn't work as well on this server. You can still mess with it and get some work done, but not enough. Needs fixing.

[fastboy21]

from my time on live, i always used swarm kiting to refer to the charm killing (charm one, let stuff beat it down, break charm a 1%, etc) also (I played on Povar and Xev).

not sure if it was different on all live servers or if it is only different here.