Discussion on R99 vs VZTZ **POSTPONED**

[Stasis01]

Originally Posted by Bogart [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I meet new people everyday I play. I do pub groups. I trade. I'm new to EQ and I'm still learning this game. I've bumped into way more friendly people than ganks or twink pks on red99. Forced teams don't create community, they simple prevent people from attacking their own team. It'll end up with people stealing spawns and you having no recourse cause they're on "your side". It'll add all the downsides of blue, which end up needing GM supervision.

If you're new to red, why post like you know what's up with the box - if you're an anon Nihilum which I believe you are, why are you so afraid of change to make this box a success, are your pixels that precious? Step outside nerd.

[Stasis01]

PS Rokannis hits the nail on the head in every aspect. I played TZ on live and see the glaring issues that FFA has brought this server as opposed to teams - and they're mostly community related.

[Stasis01]

PS no Variance makes it way too easy for the top guild - on a box of nostalgia grown ups like most people it would be fine, with the 20 man cult following of no lifers it's just too easy to monopolize, another failure with the rule creation step that was unforeseeable and needs adjusting.

People say just show up and pvp, except one guild is a VP raid force of 50 people, and the other guild can barely field seb EXP grps, lets be real about the situation here.

[Elderan]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PS no Variance makes it way too easy for the top guild - on a box of nostalgia grown ups like most people it would be fine, with the 20 man cult following of no lifers it's just too easy to monopolize, another failure with the rule creation step that was unforeseeable and needs adjusting.

People say just show up and pvp, except one guild is a VP raid force of 50 people, and the other guild can barely field seb EXP grps, lets be real about the situation here.

Killed Trak with 19 the other night... You are telling me 30 other people could not show up to take it?

Variance will do nothing but force guilds into expanding their rosters to fit the needed hours change. Do you think those casuals are going to be ready to respond to a batphone at 4am in the morning or 11am during the day?

Stasis you know better. The problem is no other great leader has emerged who can hold people together long enough to contend.

[Stasis01]

You killed Trak with 19 because there is no reason to log on. If another guild showed up your number would inflate to 40+ as has before, so why even drop the 19 bullshit.

I understand you have it very easy and convenient, and this is a bluebies dream which is why you apped to Nihilum essentially from blue and came over to raid with Nizzar.

I don't think casuals will respond to batphones at 4am, but I think if they have numbers around at an odd hour (remember we kept losing pvp fights to Azrael because of timers being pushed back) they might be able to snipe the occasional dragon. The current population and basically 0 opposing raid force has been developed into this, there are people willing to fight/play but if you face a bigger no life/stronger guild with no variance every time they just quit - which is exactly what has happened.

I played the leadership card a lot when I was griefing Azrael/Force - but it was mostly just trolling and fucking with people. No variance favors #1 guild, it was designed to create pvp but all it has done is shit on the little guy.

[runlvlzero]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You killed Trak with 19 because there is no reason to log on. If another guild showed up your number would inflate to 40+ as has before, so why even drop the 19 bullshit.

I understand you have it very easy and convenient, and this is a bluebies dream which is why you apped to Nihilum essentially from blue and came over to raid with Nizzar.

I don't think casuals will respond to batphones at 4am, but I think if they have numbers around at an odd hour (remember we kept losing pvp fights to Azrael because of timers being pushed back) they might be able to snipe the occasional dragon. The current population and basically 0 opposing raid force has been developed into this, there are people willing to fight/play but if you face a bigger no life/stronger guild with no variance every time they just quit - which is exactly what has happened.

I played the leadership card a lot when I was griefing Azrael/Force - but it was mostly just trolling and fucking with people. No variance favors #1 guild, it was designed to create pvp but all it has done is shit on the little guy.

This is it. Pretty much. I'm too casual to be bothered to log on when I am not playing. Nor is it even REALISTIC. My life > EQ (even if I can and do put in a lot of late nights). If mobs happen to be "spawning" when I happen to be playing. I might be bothered to log in Miria and heal/pvp/raid.

Max knows, I will pvp if I'm not left alone vs insane odds. I will even pvp vs insane odds, but it gets old as fuck.

I'm leveling a new cleric. I want to get in on some of this on a char thats 100% mine I feel no obligation to share. But I will not be poopsocking batphones. But if there was a way to communicate to me while I was on that shit was going down in a certain zone. Than I would be all for that. Especially towards max level 50+

I don't really like vent/TS its unimmersive as fuck and having to wear bulky headsets while I wait for someone to yell into my ears is not suitable (I will conceed its useful when actually doing something communication intensive). Some kind of batphone system would be a reasonable alternative even if I only showed up 10% of the time. That would be better than what it is currently. Which is basically never. This probably goes for the rest of the server not in nihilum. However "false batphones" were you show up and wait for 4 hrs to do nothing (or have a great big circle jerk) is going to kill a system like that for me. I'll stop caring when boy crys batphone(wolf)

Lastly I cant even group with mainstream Nihilum. They are so sedentary and dedicated to this game that I cannot play at their speed. It makes me ill thinking about it. Theyre fun to group with when the ball gets rolling, but they are capable of waiting around literally hours or hopping on 3-4 different toons over and over just to pharm pixels. Its quite litterally impossible to get on a toon and dungeon crawl with them if they have been assigned a mission from god aka Nizzar.

[Stasis01]

My guild on TZ never faced PDM heads up - we couldn't. But we were small and could mobilize quickly, and took targets in the shadows.

Like I said before, whether that's because PDM didn't care or were unaware I can't confirm.

Other fun things that TZ had that I remember being fun was meeting pvp partners such as Zhengeist, sticking up for my team mates/creating friends. If you're being griefed in a team setting you throw out an OOC and if people respond regularly they'll develop a good reputation and friendships. Same team guilds hosting public raids, like the blood tribe naggy raids, planar raids etc where smaller crews can contribute and gear up without the fear of losing them to the other side.

This rule set didn't work - you're a top tier blueb Elderan, so is Nizz - you guys will get your raid targets I'm sure, but this box is toxic for new players, full of assholes, and a rule set that favors that attitude.

[Elderan]

You killed Trak with 19 because there is no reason to log on. If another guild showed up your number would inflate to 40+ as has before, so why even drop the 19 bullshit.

It is funny how people like you claim all they want is pvp yet all they want is to be able to kill raid mobs. Yet when you know x people are going to be at x place those pvp lovers wont show up because they might lose. Lets be honest 90% of people who love people are just mostly people who love to catch people off guard and kill them aka gankers. When they may lose they wont fight.

I understand you have it very easy and convenient, and this is a bluebies dream which is why you apped to Nihilum essentially from blue and came over to raid with Nizzar.

I am sorry I don't go around ganking people. I honestly feel sick when I kill someone who isn't ready to pvp, so I don't do it unless it is someone who has talked a ton of trash or attacks me. I like to pvp when people and or groups know its coming. That is by far the best pvp.

I don't think casuals will respond to batphones at 4am, but I think if they have numbers around at an odd hour (remember we kept losing pvp fights to Azrael because of timers being pushed back) they might be able to snipe the occasional dragon. The current population and basically 0 opposing raid force has been developed into this, there are people willing to fight/play but if you face a bigger no life/stronger guild with no variance every time they just quit - which is exactly what has happened.

The odds are slim that any casual guild would have enough people and get a mob down before Nihilum got a counter force there.

You claim people love pvp yet they quit when they cant get a raid mob when pvp is just waiting there for them. People who love pvp quit because there isnt enough people around to gank. Others quit because they are more blue and cant get the raid mob.

I played the leadership card a lot when I was griefing Azrael/Force - but it was mostly just trolling and fucking with people. No variance favors #1 guild, it was designed to create pvp but all it has done is shit on the little guy.

When I say leadership I dont just mean one person. It takes a collection of people to be a top guild. The top person is key though.

Stasis.. On a more personal note. I know you are still hurt from Nizzar beating you in the botb on Elderan. But man you got to let it go. Nihilum did nothing but good things for you. You got everything from them with very little play. I mean you played maybe 2-4 hours a week and got every item of gear you wanted. You took 30k from the GM event and never put it in the guild bank and we didnt crucify you for it.

Let it go man....

[Stasis01]

This has nothing to do with the BOTB or how Nihilum treated me - the guild did no wrongs to me, and I feel no shame in losing in the best of the boulders.

This has to do with the box being 100 population, and being one guild playing.

I know a one guild PVE box is right up your alley, hence the personal attacks.

[Stasis01]

Gream won fairly easy, and I've smacked him around several times practicing, he's beat me also - put in boulders, I'd lose 9/10 and that 1/10 is a stretch if my poison/duelist brought me the W.