Would you participate in a server wide twitter based batphone for raid mobs? (poll)

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It seems like many people think all that is involved in killing these mobs is just 'getting a zerg together'. Somebody has to coordinate where to park toons etc. Somebody has to coordinate/lead the raids. Somebody has to divy out the loot. Somebody has to be 'the leader' and make decisions. Trust me, decisions are not easy or fast when you have some sort of 'guild council' with guild leadership from multiple guilds trying to agree on something. Who makes these final decisions? Who makes day-to-day decisions? It just seems like too many people think that killing raid mobs on this server is about having 'a zerg' when there is so much more coordination and organization that goes on for this to happen. There is far more drama and soulcrushing in coordinating a bunch of random people from multiple guilds than I think some of you care to admit. Then there's just the whole aspect of getting people to sign up for this, getting leadership of other guilds to take a hands-off approach while still supporting the idea to its members, and I still don't quite see how you are going to get people to reliably track, without a hard-coded reward system in place.

I don't mean to be super negative about the idea... I just think you highly underestimate what will happen to this group's morale when TMO beats them to the punch the first few times and they start to realize that most of the time they respond to these batphones, it's just to waste time and hear/watch TMO get loot. So yeah, I support the idea, but the problem is that I really believe it has a very low chance to ever happen in the first place or that it will continue to happen if it does actually get off the ground. There are so many factors that have nothing to do with 'having a bunch of people being there to kill a dragon' that people don't think about.

Maybe the main point I am trying to make, is that organizing these things takes rock-solid drama-free leadership. Unless there is an extremely motivated and efficient leader in place, I can't see this plan having any chance for success.

thats why u realize the troubles a zerg force assembled face.

it isnt about managing to kill or make casual kill wich can always happen maybe in a repop. but what about normal windows when u ahd to assemble the force wait for neverendin buff request, more people showing up and delaying? 90% of the raid efared or eatin aoes.

[Raavak]

Will people who want to be on this batphone be excluded? Or is it free and open?

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

was this before or after flag removal? knowing you after.

Before flag removal, but thanks for your negative comment.

[slappytwotoes]

Posts like this are a great example of why Congress doesn't ever get shit done. So much talking, nothing getting organized

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is a serious idea for you tassle: Imagine for a second that you allow anyone from Divinity, Taken, Rapture, BDA, etc who wishes to become an honorary member of Forceful Entry. They would function exactly like normal members (app for a week or two, be on the batphone, post on the forums, collect DKP for raid attendance and tracking, spend DKP on items) except they would keep their old guild tags. It's exactly what you are proposing in this thread, but reusing FE's existing machinery. I think this would have two huge advantages for you.

First, you'd get back your old people's guild reputation. Last fall TMO was the evil empire and FE was the rebel alliance trying to break their stranglehold on the raid scene. Now FE is simply another and less successful raid guild. However, if people from the other casual guilds were raiding alongside FE, they would rapidly redevelop those attachments. TMO would be even more the bad guys (not that they care).

Second, I'm sure that even if you restricted the honorary memberships to level 60 toons, between the 7-8 casual guilds you could pick up 20-25 people at least - thats only 3 people per guild. And if things worked out you'd have more people than you know what to do with.

What you are directly proposing in this thread will never work, because for an eq raid to succeed you need a main tank, a good pull squad, and a good raid leader. Thats like 6 people tops; the rest can be warm bodies as long as they have a marginal capacity to follow directions (esp since you don't even need CH chains in Kunark).

^ This idea is clearly the best.. now do it

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1: slow.
2: cumbersome.
3: easily prone to drama and bitching.
4: another fantasy.

You have nothing positive to offer this thread other than de-railing, please don't post.

This is a serious topic of discussion, and if you have an issue with it than when the time comes you don't have to be a part of it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Raavak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Will people who want to be on this batphone be excluded? Or is it free and open?

Im not sure members of TMO would be allowed to participiate, but this idea is far from being organized yet. This thread was more meant to gauge interest and collect some ideas. Either way, Im not sure that allowing TMO members would be the most fair/productive idea for a raid force like this. Especially considering TMO has monopolized raid content for the greater portion of 2 years, and they also sell epic loots which is one of the reasons I'd like to start a raid force like this going. People should be able to get their epics without paying out of the ass for them from TMO or any other guild for that matter.

[quido]

Time for an anon alt I guess! =)

[Raavak]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im not sure members of TMO would be allowed to participiate, but this idea is far from being organized yet.

Once someone starts with the "four legs good, two legs bad" talk I start to question where the exclusion and control ends. Good luck to you, though.

I was on E'ci and there was some pretty successful "public" raiding. It took a really strong personality and leader to make it happen, though (Ashorty).

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by adament1824 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Look all you do is have a spreadsheet, add anyone new to the raid on the spreadsheet thats not already on it from previous raids. People who have attended previous raids get a +bonus to their ran 100 roll the more raids without winning a piece +bonus get bigger. Once said person wins a piece of loot there +bonus goes back to zero.

This is the modified roll that we used in WoW back when I raided like crazy there.

It actually works pretty damn well, even if people bank their +bonus to really high it gets sent back to 1-100 after they use it.

We also made it so that anyone over 200 (least I think it was 200) just did a roll of their max to their max, like /ran 200 200 and they would get the item straight out unless someone with a higher max wanted it. This means they would just be awarded the item straight out and have their MR reset to 1-100. Keeps it so they don't save up for an item they really want and then get a shitty roll and rewards them for showing up.

[SCB]

Allow any person, from any guild. Have the entire server just zerg everything until everyone realizes that zerging old pixels is the opposite of fun.

Then let's all break into small guilds and issue MechWarrior-style batchalls to see who gets raid targets.