Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The occupy VP movement worked really well till the 5 or 6 doing it got burned out... seems there are quite a bit more people now with interest in VP which could basically make it impossible to kill anything until things get worked out... Don't expect gm's to change anything... get your ass in there and "exploit" the lack of rules to prevent anyone from progressing... which will eventually lead to progress. Only takes a few people to ruin hours of many in that zone.

Very true but some of us actually dislike training and griefing other players, even if it meant a bigger chance that negotiations should be had. Training is lame, annoying, not challenging, and frankly isn't even entertaining. Sure, killing 30-40 TMO in a few minutes is probably fun the first time or two you do it. After that, if you enjoy it, you're just retarded.

Just need to change the shitty rules that are in place concerning VP. It's the last raid zone available on this server and on kunark, has been locked down by 1 guild for 2 years now, lets just change this bullshit rule once and for all and make P99 more classic and more fun.


PS: Training was never allowed on live to all the mongoloids who still have yet to grasp this idea. Training was allowed in VP on p99 I guess because the p99 GM's felt this was the best way to set it up at the time. "Non-CSR" zones on live did not mean you could train, only that you were shit out of luck if you wiped because GM's would not help you. Now, times have changed, and there are a lot more players here.

Sanctioned training no longer works for VP.

[Joroz]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Very true but some of us actually dislike training and griefing other players

No one said it was liked... actually VD's effort ultimately failed as 90% of the guild wasn't on board with this tactic so it eventually fizzled out as those doing it got burned out... however I would imagine there it quite a bit more people playing these days that do not have such a reservation about training in a zone without rules. I support the idea that train's should just be considered bad in all zones but no one cares at all about VP... you might just have to take matters into your hands and force changes in the community.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Joroz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No one said it was liked... actually VD's effort ultimately failed as 90% of the guild wasn't on board with this tactic so it eventually fizzled out as those doing it got burned out... however I would imagine there it quite a bit more people playing these days that do not have such a reservation about training in a zone without rules. I support the idea that train's should just be considered bad in all zones but no one cares at all about VP... you might just have to take matters into your hands and force changes in the community.

For sure, I see what you're saying. It's just unfortunate if this is going to be the case.

[Joroz]

people dislike doing corpse retrievals with their play time... even worse is when you get bat-phoned to get wiped and do corpse retrievals.

we know the powers that be have 0 interest in changing rules in this zone... therefor the answer is simple...

go big, within the rules, but go big... escalate the conflict in VP to the point of it being ridiculous. force treaties to happen or the bullshit overflows so much out of VP that policy needs to change.

or...

keep making posts trying to persuade changes... we see how that usually works out.

[Dragonmist]

65 Pages later ... /sigh lol

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Arteker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

and better why not a solid answer . why when TR broke and u guys formed in secret again IB u broke the rotation?.

bump

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by salimoneus [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If only this project had the level of support that Sony had, unfortunately that just isn't the case. Some people are asking for the impossible. The guys running this shit already have full time jobs, and require nothing in return for us to play for free. Try not to act so entitled.

Entitled because people sign up for this shit only to realize the statement on the front page does not match the servers reality? Not to mention a lot of people quit or don't play because of it. I don't think you understand how entitlement works.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by timhutton [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Entitled because people sign up for this shit only to realize the statement on the front page does not match the servers reality? Not to mention a lot of people quit or don't play because of it. I don't think you understand how entitlement works.

Good point!

We have had many changes introduced to p99 in the name of keeping things classic.
Some examples: maps/target rings removed, hide nerf, tracking nerf, among many others.


Why not remove training in VP? Shit is not classic and was never allowed on live.


Next poll topic I will address is new rules regarding cazic thule pops, because kiting an entire zone to kill CT is far from classic as well. Not to mention the folks intentionally setting off DT cycles to buy time for their guild and the fact that anytime a guild has a kite going and another guild engages CT the bards kiting conveniently drops his zonewide kite right on top of the guild engaging CT.

Lets keep the discussion going here thougg since the votes continue to come in everyday. We have had a very significant response to this thread which hopefully will be taken into account by nilbog and co moving forward. I don't see the current population numbers sticking around as long as the rules allow one guild to intentionally train another.

[quido]

I thought training was allowed on some servers!

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by ripwind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some people also had these.

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Haha btw if anyone is interested you can download the kunark prima guide in.pdf form off of the internet. On page 24 or so there is a statement from verant interactives CSR rep regarding the implementation of an enforced play nice policy due to the training/griefing which took place through the first year of everquest's existance. I don't have it in front of me but he specifically states they made a play nice policy enforced by gms to prevent friendly players from quitting EQ due to the type of assfuckery that regularly occurs here.


Just thought that was an interesting find considering how many idiots we have here who are under the impression that training was ever allowed on live eq servers when literally all evidence points to the contrary. If I can find a way to turn the specific page I'm referring to into an image I can upload ill do it after work, if anyone else is interested its page 23 to 25 of the prima kunark guide I believe.