A question to everyone not in TMO/IB.....

[Nirgon]

I think I'd let them decide what's reward enough.

As I've said before, Obama does not govern this server.

[Splorf22]

The playing field is obviously level now. It's just covered in manure, and most people don't want to come within 50 feet of it.

[Ravager]

What does Obama have to do with anything?

[Kope]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it "fair" to just now hand down a raid calendar after they put in all that effort? Well, probably not. If there had been a calendar to begin with, they wouldn't have had to put in all that misery to get where they are now.

How many years after a contest is over does the winner of said contest get to wear the "I won" t-shirt without washing it?

Generally the answer is until the people around them say "Man...you really really stink...go wash that shirt or I'm going to wash it for you, with you still wearing it!"

People are to the point of saying "Man...you really really stink." but don't quite want to take the step of washing it for you.

[Nirgon]

I you want it, take it.

If you can't, wait till they're done with it.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I you want it, take it.

If you can't, wait till they're done with it.

This argument is dumb for 2 reasons:

1.) There is no way to compete at this point in the game. All they need is 20 people to log on any of the toons parked at all of the raid mobs. If you think it can be done, I'd like to see you find a group of raiders who will park their mains at any raid mob, wait for the batphone and see who can log on faster at any time of day and not get burned out by it.

2.) They'll never be done with it because they'll always be taking in new apps from the people who are too fed up trying to fight against them because of #1 or just flat out buying those toons and gearing them to park at more mobs.

[Nirgon]

1) I'm amazed they aren't burned out by it, I would be.

2) Again, the position they earned.

You guys complaining wouldn't have been able to contest IB either. They were able to, whether it was at the end of their reign or whatever.. that can stay out of this. But at no point could the people complaining have beaten IB at this either.

It's not an argument, I'm stating a fact that reflects reality. You don't like it, if I was you I wouldn't either. That's life pal. Not everyone gets to be #1, and #1 doesn't always like to share. Further before they were #1, no one really shared with them either.

How would you like a few months or a year after your guild beat TMO, they all quit (for whatever reason) that some other group came along with half or a quarter of the time investment and asked for a calendar? Easy to say you'd support it and I don't think you or your leadership would given what it would take to beat them.

[Kope]

Get your government hands out of my medicaid!

[Jarnauga]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I you want it, take it.

If you can't, wait till they're done with it.

Hey Somalia, just go to war against the USA, it's that simple ! Y SO LAZY

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1) I'm amazed they aren't burned out by it, I would be.

2) Again, the position they earned.

You guys complaining wouldn't have been able to contest IB either. They were able to, whether it was at the end of their reign or whatever.. that can stay out of this. But at no point could the people complaining have beaten IB at this either.

It's not an argument, I'm stating a fact that reflects reality. You don't like it, if I was you I wouldn't either. That's life pal. Not everyone gets to be #1, and #1 doesn't always like to share. Further before they were #1, no one really shared with them either.

How would you like a few months or a year after your guild beat TMO, they all quit (for whatever reason) that some other group came along with half or a quarter of the time investment and asked for a calendar? Easy to say you'd support it and I don't think you or your leadership would given what it would take to beat them.

And this is why threads like this show up, because there is something fundamentally wrong with the rules on this server and why everyone appeals to the staff to try and get things changed. The mentality that in order to be #1 you have to turn a game on a hobby server into a job with more on call hours than a fireman is unhealthy and stupid. I have a vague memory of reading posts by even Alarti back before TMO was on top complaining about all the things people are complaining about now.