Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Faerie]

I thought waking the sleeper was going to wipe the server, where it starts to follow the actual live progression timeline?

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by Faerie [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I thought waking the sleeper was going to wipe the server, where it starts to follow the actual live progression timeline?

I'm 100% behind that.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did you ever respond to me Alarti? Never got a PM and I'm not about to skim through expanding each post to see if you did.

LOL derper hiding from information.

[sanforce]

I think training should be allowed in VP, just to see the tears flow on this forum. I don't understand why smaller guilds don't combine their efforts to oust the #1 guild, who is "taking" all of their pixels. Instead of changing the rules to suit your needs, make alliances and focus your efforts - that's true competition. Being ineffective and then crying about it on the forums only detracts from your second rate guilds.

[Clark]

Absolute bull shit rule

Shouldn't be allowed

[Detoxx]

Didn't read entire thread, so don't know if this was mentioned but...

VP is different from any other raid targets. There isn't AoE fear wurms in PoHate, or 1500 damage aoe cold wurms. You can't just "race" to a dragon in VP. Not to mention the 2 min respawn timer. This zone is completely different than any other raid mob.

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Detoxx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't read entire thread, so don't know if this was mentioned but...

VP is different from any other raid targets. There isn't AoE fear wurms in PoHate, or 1500 damage aoe cold wurms. You can't just "race" to a dragon in VP. Not to mention the 2 min respawn timer. This zone is completely different than any other raid mob.

Which would mean training isn't needed. Skilled guilds who can race in the zone without dying to test their skills would be fun in it's own right. You can laugh as they train themselves etc. That doesn't support that training should be allowed in the zone. That was what I was speaking too when I told Jeremy that zone isn't seb or KC.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Which would mean training isn't needed. Skilled guilds who can race in the zone without dying to test their skills would be fun in it's own right. You can laugh as they train themselves etc. That doesn't support that training should be allowed in the zone. That was what I was speaking too when I told Jeremy that zone isn't seb or KC.

With CSR and no Rotation, people would just cry to GMs every single time there is a VP raid.

/petition SoandSo just trained me, please raid suspend their guild and give us loot.

Sounds so exciting...

[Vianna]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With CSR and no Rotation, people would just cry to GMs every single time there is a VP raid.

/petition SoandSo just trained me, please raid suspend their guild and give us loot.

Sounds so exciting...

And we all know none of that gets investigated without fraps so I don't see a problem here. If a train wasn't intentional fraps will show that. We all go in understanding pathing is messed up and mistakes can happen. When you are reasonable with each other instead of screaming at each other things can be worked out. A foreign concept I know, but it tends to work. The competition will still be there for the guilds...without the training.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Vianna [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And we all know none of that gets investigated without fraps so I don't see a problem here. If a train wasn't intentional fraps will show that. We all go in understanding pathing is messed up and mistakes can happen. When you are reasonable with each other instead of screaming at each other things can be worked out. A foreign concept I know, but it tends to work. The competition will still be there for the guilds...without the training.

Just depends if TMO would rather put raids in the hands of staff or keep it like it is and considering a good bit of TMO is still around from the days where every raid ended up petitioned, I'd say it is really slim that they would agree to it.

If staff wanted to deal with it, and it never seemed like they did considering they made it nonCSR, they could easily change it and accept all the new petitions that would follow.